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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Wombat" data-source="post: 1165649" data-attributes="member: 8447">These comparisons sound good but ultimately don't apply.  In each case, there is either a chance for victory or else the sacrifice allows for victory elsewhere.  Yes, the Spartans die, but in doing so they allow the other Greeks time to rally so they can ultimately defeat the Persians.  Yes, Horatius dies, but again allowing Romans to rally in safety to ultimately bring victory.  And David had a promise from the Lord (see the Testament supplement to see a game version of this).  Even the Tale of the Forty-Seven Ronin, which ends in the death of all the ex-samurai brings about a positive conclusion by ridding the world of the evil minister of protocol.Midnight, conversely, is about a land given over to doom.  The Dark Lord has won.  The other gods are distant and utterly unable to help.  Any victory achieved will be necessarily short-lived.  In other words the good guys have lost and the best they can do is live another day.  This is a world given over, utterly and irredeemably, to evil, with an evil deity in charge of the whole show. Now I run games where it is 101% absolutey impossible to kill a god (unless you are a god yourself, but that is another matter).  Sure, you might take down an avatar if you are something like 40th level, but beyond that, forget it.  Midnight seems to also take this tack.  Given that situation, why are the "heroes" even bothering to fight?  Not only can they not defeat the BBEG, they cannot make the world around them any better.  Given the resources at hand for both sides, the best that the "heroes" can do is scrabble around trying not to be killed, possibly taking out a few henchmen, but ultimately dying having served no greater purpose.  Hope?  What hope is there in a world totally cut off from the other gods.  Like I said, this sounds like a campaign of CoC that starts after Big C has risen from R'lyeh.The world is doomed and the best you can do is live.</blockquote>

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