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<blockquote data-quote="Jefe Bergenstein" data-source="post: 7392236" data-attributes="member: 31506">Like, if I quote myself can I declare it to be true as well? 4E was the closest we got to fixing the issue. Unfortunately it wasn't a success, because players who were spoiled on 3E just flocked to Pathfinder, who showered casters with even more goodies like a newly divorced dad. 4E gave narrative control of tactical combat to non-casters in a way that actually simulated the genre, while severely limiting casters non-combat utility. 5E removed narrative abilities from everyone but casters, and then gave casters more back. It's actually a regression IMO. No, I don't want to play 4E, I want 5E actually balanced and fighters/rogues/warlords to get to do cool things again. That should be easy enough to do.I'll point you towards your recent Rogue thread. When all martials are really allowed to excel at is &quot;DPR on a stick&quot;, they really can't keep pace with casters who can nova and toss out plot altering effects without playing &quot;mother may I&quot; with the DM (and sadly often their fellow players).&nbsp; Rogues aren't even really better at skills than bards, and that's a full caster class too!</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jefe Bergenstein, post: 7392236, member: 31506"] Like, if I quote myself can I declare it to be true as well? 4E was the closest we got to fixing the issue. Unfortunately it wasn't a success, because players who were spoiled on 3E just flocked to Pathfinder, who showered casters with even more goodies like a newly divorced dad. 4E gave narrative control of tactical combat to non-casters in a way that actually simulated the genre, while severely limiting casters non-combat utility. 5E removed narrative abilities from everyone but casters, and then gave casters more back. It's actually a regression IMO. No, I don't want to play 4E, I want 5E actually balanced and fighters/rogues/warlords to get to do cool things again. That should be easy enough to do. I'll point you towards your recent Rogue thread. When all martials are really allowed to excel at is "DPR on a stick", they really can't keep pace with casters who can nova and toss out plot altering effects without playing "mother may I" with the DM (and sadly often their fellow players). Rogues aren't even really better at skills than bards, and that's a full caster class too! [/QUOTE]

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