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Message: <blockquote data-quote="doctorbadwolf" data-source="post: 7118727" data-attributes="member: 6704184">His thoughts on 4e always baffle me. The DM pipeline was closed? Or the new player to DM pipeline was closed? Either way, false. 100% false. I haven't seen so many players try out DMing in any other game, much less edition of DnD. As fairly easy as 5e is, I've seen 4e DMs stop DMing in 5e because they don't want the hassle or figuring out CR, especially since CR will never actually be accurate. And all the work they have to do to make things work beyond that. I've got a player who won't dm 5e, but loved DMing 4e, and the main thing for him is magic items, and improvising in a balanced way, both of which he felt he had more freedom with in 4e. I can grok most complaints about 4e, but it definately was the most new DM friendly ttrpg I've ever played.</blockquote>