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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9711722" data-attributes="member: 93670">I think that a lot of the criticism overlooks the point being made & the format that point applies to, Specifically with the 4th & 5th generation bit[spoiler]Fourth generation TTRPGs, taking their lead from video games, were the first generation to take a business model into account. The idea is simple. If you can get players to purchase expansions on the regular, you’ll make a lot more money. There are four or five players per GM, so your market just grew enormously.This also aligns with the rise of digital culture, which triggered two things.Fans and publishers could now connect at scale. That flow of information led to entrenchment of design and business thinking circa 2000. The culture of play and design slipped into stasis (kind of, as we’ll see).TTRPGs also suffered a severe contraction starting around 2004 with the release of World of Warcraft. Suffocating industries have trouble innovating. Investment and talent flowed outward, making innovation difficult.Then a bunch of things happened to spark a shift.D&D 4e, representing the peak of fourth generation design, nearly killed the D&D business. Paizo picked up the D&D baton with Pathfinder, but that game was a refinement of 3e and its very fourth generation approach. That disruption led to a lot of TTRPGers becoming gaming free agents. They were looking for something new.4e, doubling down on an eight-year old design approach, helped spark a shift back to older generations of gaming. Slowly but surely, a chunk of the hobby began to question both third and fourth generation design approaches.Then 5e came along. It triggered a surge of interest in TTRPGs with its more accessible design, but fundamentally it remained a fourth generation design. As digital culture made TTRPGs more accessible, new players and GMs piled in to the hobby. The COVID 19 lockdowns provided another boost of interest.I think 5e sparked the desire for fifth generation games, but being wrapped in a fourth generation design it left the audience caught in limbo. Until now.The attempt to revoke the OGL was a disruption on par with the release of D&D 4e. It caused a relationship reset between D&D and its audience. This time, rather than flock to Paizo the audience scattered to many different games.Two years later, we’re seeing where the change stuck.I think the audience went to two basic categories of games. They either sought out games that double down on 5e’s fourth generation traits - bespoke character creation, lots of character options - or they settled into games that focused on ease of play and GMing, 5e’s shift away from the fourth generation.Those later games, which look like they have done a better job of holding their growth, are fifth generation designs.Fifth generation games are games made for GMs. They are designed for ease of play, with that consideration extending to UX and UI. If the dungeon crawl you’re running presents rooms in bullet points and puts map insets on each page spread, it’s a fifth generation design.Fifth generation designs are designed to enable GM creativity. They realize that without a GM, nobody can play a TTRPG. They focus on playability and ease of use and are very aware of the context in which they take place.The COVID lockdowns gave people time the time to play TTRPGs. That desire to play remains, but the audience found that fourth generation designs could not fit into their post-lockdown lives....[/spoiler]If your going to mark a distinction across that sort of shift & write it up in a format that can be processed by corporate bean counter types answering to a spreadsheet  it's a solid case for why "give them what they want" falls short when the only real direction is  to give more candy because <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/5-5-and-making-the-game-easier-for-players-and-harder-for-dms.705122/post-9395759" target="_blank">19/20 of them voted for more candy</a>.  Forge may have been a useful model for discussion of how abilities & adventure plans fit into discussable groupings but this is a useful writeup for why a business model needs to appeal to more than <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vhh_GeBPOhs" target="_blank">Players Players Players Players Players Players Players Players Players Players Players</a>.  I linked that to the balmer bit because his overall message about microsoft needing to focus on making sure that developer needs were met in ways that allow developers to do their thing for microsoft's customers wsas especially relevant.</blockquote>

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