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Message: <blockquote data-quote="payn" data-source="post: 9714729" data-attributes="member: 90374">It seems like that, but I dont really think its working out that way. I mean, the internet, like Pepperidge Farms, remembers the OGL debacle, but most folks have moved on and it doesnt seem to have hurt the brand. I think the shifts were already in place between folks that were D&D fans, OSR players, and the RPG outliers. The size of the pieces of the pie have increased in favor of the non-D&Ds, but its also important to note that the entire pie is a lot larger now too. (Im not disparaging anything not D&D, just noting their smaller player bases. However, I think its important to note how much better indie designers and products have gotten. Indie's are getting fanbase footholds that folks could only dream of 20 years ago.) I agree, I think rules lite is too general of a catch all for the next generation. I think its rules specific systems that cut the fat and deliver a focused experience; Whether thats OSR or not. Excellent points. Folks love to write the latter off around here because, well, everybody is a geezer around here. They went through 3E and 4E and came out on the other side wanting rules lite stuff. Though, some folks still want crunch, and new players are looking for it too, the playerbase is not a monolith. Its easy to think that way via EN World because of how much outlier traffic has plummeted. There wasnt many talking PF1 during 4E here, and there is even fewer talking PF2 despite the larger playerbase it enjoys. As an example. My head hurts trying to wrap around "which is what gen". I dont think its helpful putting differently designed RPGs into different generational buckets. Its sort of what the OSR folks are doing at the moment.</blockquote>

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