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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 3925698" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>Very possibly. I have never disputed this claim. What I have disputed is that this will clearly result in overall growth for the game. I have no doubt whatsoever that 4E will do well and 3x is a thing of the past. It would be absurd to even hint differently about 3x. But I don't believe that there are significant numbers people out there not playing 3X who are going to flock to 4E because it is a more simple game. If 4E never existed there would be new players who found 3E 12 months from now. Some of those would try it and leave and some would become gamers. 4E does exist and the same thing will happen for it. But who says more will stay? And who says that if more stay the added players will outnumber the people in your "not everyone" who are spending cash on 3E now but stop with 4e? Do you think that 12 months after 4E comes out it will have the same level of boom going that 3E did 12 months after it came out? I'm skeptical.</p><p></p><p>On your specific example, I have never supported CR in 3X. I mean, I love it as a concept for XP. But the implementation was terrible and never really got fixed. But that was because, as you say, it was so unreliable. If they want to make a more reliable system then make that the priority. Simplicity is not reliability. </p><p></p><p>Again, I'm not wasting my time here just to grind an axe. If I knew I was going to hate 4E I'd just leave. And if for some reason I was predetermined to hate 4E just for silly 3E devotion reasons, I'd just leave. What I want more than anything (in gaming at least) is to be overwhelmed by the coolness of 4E. And Mikes comments did help some in reducing my pessimism. But it is not a case of me expected everything to cater to me. If they make a game that creates lots of profits through a method that leaves me out, then they can listen to my complaints all the way to the bank, with my compliments. I don't resent them. But I'm still going to speak from my individual point of view. When I stop posting here, that will mean I have given up on 4E. And I still hope that by the time the PH comes out I am back to being one of the big 4E defenders here, as I was right after the announcement.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 3925698, member: 957"] Very possibly. I have never disputed this claim. What I have disputed is that this will clearly result in overall growth for the game. I have no doubt whatsoever that 4E will do well and 3x is a thing of the past. It would be absurd to even hint differently about 3x. But I don't believe that there are significant numbers people out there not playing 3X who are going to flock to 4E because it is a more simple game. If 4E never existed there would be new players who found 3E 12 months from now. Some of those would try it and leave and some would become gamers. 4E does exist and the same thing will happen for it. But who says more will stay? And who says that if more stay the added players will outnumber the people in your "not everyone" who are spending cash on 3E now but stop with 4e? Do you think that 12 months after 4E comes out it will have the same level of boom going that 3E did 12 months after it came out? I'm skeptical. On your specific example, I have never supported CR in 3X. I mean, I love it as a concept for XP. But the implementation was terrible and never really got fixed. But that was because, as you say, it was so unreliable. If they want to make a more reliable system then make that the priority. Simplicity is not reliability. Again, I'm not wasting my time here just to grind an axe. If I knew I was going to hate 4E I'd just leave. And if for some reason I was predetermined to hate 4E just for silly 3E devotion reasons, I'd just leave. What I want more than anything (in gaming at least) is to be overwhelmed by the coolness of 4E. And Mikes comments did help some in reducing my pessimism. But it is not a case of me expected everything to cater to me. If they make a game that creates lots of profits through a method that leaves me out, then they can listen to my complaints all the way to the bank, with my compliments. I don't resent them. But I'm still going to speak from my individual point of view. When I stop posting here, that will mean I have given up on 4E. And I still hope that by the time the PH comes out I am back to being one of the big 4E defenders here, as I was right after the announcement. [/QUOTE]
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