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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 6309544" data-attributes="member: 18">Because D&amp;D devils are incredibly boring in most of D&amp;D's cosmologies.Their motivation is &quot;BE EVIL&quot;. Not anything interesting or anything anyone can relate to - just &quot;EVIL FOR EVIL'S SAKE!&quot;. Good villains need a motivation - it helps if it's a motivation you can sort of relate to even though you can see it's totally wrong (this is why Khan is such a classic Trek villain - you can see that he HAS been wronged, in many ways - they messed it up with Into Darkness though - he's almost in the right there!).Stylistically, they're completely incoherent. A random mess of &quot;X devil&quot; monsters, few of whom are very memorable or awesome. Demons have them beat hands-down in terms of style and memorable-ness. Marilith, Vrock, Balor, Glabrezu, Succubus, Cambion - those are some awesome scary bastards with ultra-memorable appearances (and whilst they are also incoherent, they do have a sort of &quot;beast-demon&quot; thing going on). What do devils have? Pit Fiends, Lemures and a bunch of non-memorable &quot;assorted spikey dudes&quot;.4E gave devils a shot at the big-time, lore-wise, by giving them a motivation as &quot;renegade angels who killed the god they serve&quot;, but they were still pretty unmemorable, sadly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 6309544, member: 18"] Because D&D devils are incredibly boring in most of D&D's cosmologies. Their motivation is "BE EVIL". Not anything interesting or anything anyone can relate to - just "EVIL FOR EVIL'S SAKE!". Good villains need a motivation - it helps if it's a motivation you can sort of relate to even though you can see it's totally wrong (this is why Khan is such a classic Trek villain - you can see that he HAS been wronged, in many ways - they messed it up with Into Darkness though - he's almost in the right there!). Stylistically, they're completely incoherent. A random mess of "X devil" monsters, few of whom are very memorable or awesome. Demons have them beat hands-down in terms of style and memorable-ness. Marilith, Vrock, Balor, Glabrezu, Succubus, Cambion - those are some awesome scary bastards with ultra-memorable appearances (and whilst they are also incoherent, they do have a sort of "beast-demon" thing going on). What do devils have? Pit Fiends, Lemures and a bunch of non-memorable "assorted spikey dudes". 4E gave devils a shot at the big-time, lore-wise, by giving them a motivation as "renegade angels who killed the god they serve", but they were still pretty unmemorable, sadly. [/QUOTE]

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