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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Tony Vargas" data-source="post: 7369838" data-attributes="member: 996">5e really does.  5e is the Core 3.  Everything else gets a weird name that doesn't even sound like a rules supplement.  SCAG sounded like a setting book. I can barely remember the names of the others.  Xana-somethingorother....?  If you don't like Bladesingers, do you go "XOMG! the nasty horrid bladesinererss, they are in SCAG, I must let anyone at my table play one!"  No, you shrug and move on... Nope.  I'm old.  If a tree didn't die for it, it's not worth my time. ;P Then recuse yourself from threads on the topic.The knight, slayer & thief were returns to the classic game's (mis)treatment of the martial source idiot-specialists in DPR.  But, to be fair, there was no way Essentials was getting a fair shake - h4ters hated it for being 4e, 4vengers hated it for knuckling under to h4ters.  Most doomed half-ed ever.The Warlord, Fighter, & Rogue, and their expansions in MP & MP2 were pretty well-loved among 4e fans. Yes!  And the EK and bladesinger seem made for them, but here is NO way they shouldn't get an elfing elf racial class!  It'd be made of awesome! (heck, there should've been an "Elf" and "Halfing" in the basic pdf, with no mention of their (multi)class.  Just:  You're an Elf!  You fight & use magic!  You're a halfling!  You sneak around and steal gold cups from dragons!)Seriously, I half-expected an Elf class of some sort in 5e.  OK, maybe 7/16th expected it. Settings are a whole nuther kettle of wyrms.  There have been so many.  Still, I don't doubt they'll all get something eventually.  There are rumors of Spelljammer for 5e, and it has been gone for decades. They prettymuch have it, AFAICT.  But, I'm not conversant - I was separated from D&D from '95 'til 3.0. The game cannot be fundamentally warped by an option. You are entitled to that belief, and free, as a DM to ban any such powers from your table.  And, while I'd happily accept such things, I've always (and I mean always, back to the 80s) felt there was a stark line between 5th & 6th level spells.  Ultimately, though, Gambits & Maneuvers aren't spells, and don't need to follow their progressions or paradigms - they just need to be balanced, and, in the case of the warlord, constitute a viable sole support option for parities.  Even if it means the genre-appropriate narratives that implies get derided as 'hand-waving' or 'dissociatied' by those who are under no obligation to use, nor even glance at, them. Oh, alone, it is.  But it's not nearly alone in that.  A PH1 class from a controversial edition excluded from the PH, alone, is reason enough.  The compelling character concepts it enables, alone, are reason enough. 'Leader' was 4e jargon.  It needn't be taken literally.  It's the best (only) model in D&D history for a non-magical support class. A direct port of the 4e Warlord would fail as hard as a Fighter sub-class.  5e raises the bar on PC versatility & power non-trivially from 4e, including what's demanded for viable support.   "It's not dicrimination, it's separate but equal?" Listen to yourself. Any of them in a PH1?  No.   Look.  If "you can keep playing that prior ed" were adequate, there'd have been no basis whatsoever for anyone complaining about 4e, not one peep.  Fans of 3.5 had the OGL, their system of choice would be supported as long as there was the least demand for - and was, lavishly, by PF.  There have been more PF books published than were published for 3.5 & 4e /combined/.  Fans of the classic game were warring against 4e in the midst of the Old School Renaissance, with multiple games catering precisely to what they wanted coming out in a continuous stream.4e cannot be legally cloned.  It has been entirely unsupported for 6 years, heck, 8 if you didn't cotton to Essentials.5e is the only supported option for ongoing D&D fans who preferred 4e over prior editions.(And, let's be honest, fans of 4e are the D&D fans who embrace each new edition and give it every chance, or they wouldn't have become fans of 4e in spite of the toxic environment that surrounded it.)</blockquote>

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