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Message: <blockquote data-quote="smbakeresq" data-source="post: 7370268" data-attributes="member: 28301">Yes, we are on the same page.  This could all be accomplished with a form of BM class.  This discussion actually highlights why Paladins are considered very good.  Compare the Fighter chassis to the Paladin Chassis(without spells and subclasses) up to level 10, they are close but the fighter is little ahead.  After 11 the fighter gets his extra attack, which stacks with action surge, so it pulls further ahead. The base Paladin chassis gets those saving throws and immunities, which is pretty good of course but sometimes you wont get much mileage out of them.  The Fighter though gets its base features and they will be used all the time.  But then the Paladin gets those spells, which if used only for smiting will be 25d8 of extra radiant damage at level 10, refreshable on a long rest.  The base fighter gets nothing like that, but could get close or ahead with a BM and action surge getting thrown in depending on your short rests. With frequent short rests the fighter chassis keeps recharging its abilities get better.  If yo don't get those rests or get more long rests the Paladin is better.However, if you add a Warlord on top of the fighter chassis its the same situation as the BM fighter, if you get to keep going in with all your superiority dice to blow its great, if not the power wanes.  I get the fighter chassis gets more attacks, but that doesn't balance out what other classes get earlier.  Anyway, we are better off with the BM+ than nothing.  I just don't think that a high level Warlord who blows all his abilities should be able to keep up with all high level fighter who blew all his, the high level fighter should still be on his own with more attacks and such.That's why I think Warlord should be built around granting CHR and/or INT bonuses as riders to other attacks, THP granting, bonus movements, etc.  Like the BM can with certain maneuvers but more general and more action efficient.</blockquote>

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