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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3014741" data-attributes="member: 22779">It's funny.&nbsp; I've only recently gotten into higher level play with my campaign getting into the low double digits.&nbsp; I'd done some one offs, but, never consistent high level play.You can really see that when people spent time remaking the monsters for 3.x, a lot of the time was spent on the lower end critters and the high end critters were mostly just copied over with the new rules laid overtop.&nbsp; Demons, devils, angels and the others are really just a hash of abilities.&nbsp; What I would like to see is demons and devils and the like given a clear focus and then built up around that.&nbsp; No more Type I demons or Type II demons.&nbsp; They've got names, let's make them actually work.&nbsp; Vrocks aren't too bad, although honestly, it is nearly impossible to get off the dance of ruin.&nbsp; Three rounds of free shots at those kinds of levels is going to result in failure most of the time.&nbsp; Mirror image helps, but then, why the heck, other than protection, does a Vrock have mirror image?&nbsp; It's not like they are known to be tricksters or particularly gifted manipulators.Yeah, demons and stuff need some serious Gamer Eye treatment.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3014741, member: 22779"] It's funny. I've only recently gotten into higher level play with my campaign getting into the low double digits. I'd done some one offs, but, never consistent high level play. You can really see that when people spent time remaking the monsters for 3.x, a lot of the time was spent on the lower end critters and the high end critters were mostly just copied over with the new rules laid overtop. Demons, devils, angels and the others are really just a hash of abilities. What I would like to see is demons and devils and the like given a clear focus and then built up around that. No more Type I demons or Type II demons. They've got names, let's make them actually work. Vrocks aren't too bad, although honestly, it is nearly impossible to get off the dance of ruin. Three rounds of free shots at those kinds of levels is going to result in failure most of the time. Mirror image helps, but then, why the heck, other than protection, does a Vrock have mirror image? It's not like they are known to be tricksters or particularly gifted manipulators. Yeah, demons and stuff need some serious Gamer Eye treatment. [/QUOTE]

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