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<blockquote data-quote="bogmad" data-source="post: 7673477" data-attributes="member: 6695559">Everyone keeps making the anecdotal argument &quot;IME people really only want psionics to game the mechanics&quot; but in my personal experience, what I want has a lot more to do with the fluff. I just want the fluff to match the mechanics well enough, and psionics as a magic class doesn't do that for me.I do want to be pseudo scientific with my superstition I guess, but really only in my definition of mystical forces.&nbsp; The force is &quot;magic&quot; to you, but it's not to me.&nbsp; You can argue I'm wrong all you want, but in the fantasy realm in my mind I'm right.&nbsp; It's all fantasy, so how do we have an enforceable argument? We're both right. Just in my fantasy setting there's psionics (or &quot;the force&quot; to be reductionist) and then there's magic. They're different things. That work differently.Still, I don't think that's going to be enough to stop the arguments.To extend the Eastern/Western metaphor, there's some sounds in Mandarin or other Asian languages that I'm simply never going to hear because my brain just doesn't make the distinction.&nbsp; At the same time, my 5 year old nephew can hear the difference in those phonemes just fine because his brain still has the plasticity to recognize and categorize them.&nbsp; Somewhere in my childhood I must have come up with a different idea of what psionics is when I was flipping around in that 2e psioncists handbook and reading those Joe Dever Magnamund books.&nbsp; You may have interacted with similar fiction or game mechanics, but to you it was just another form of magic. It will never be something else, and everytime I say Xi, you're going to hear Shi.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bogmad, post: 7673477, member: 6695559"] Everyone keeps making the anecdotal argument "IME people really only want psionics to game the mechanics" but in my personal experience, what I want has a lot more to do with the fluff. I just want the fluff to match the mechanics well enough, and psionics as a magic class doesn't do that for me. I do want to be pseudo scientific with my superstition I guess, but really only in my definition of mystical forces. The force is "magic" to you, but it's not to me. You can argue I'm wrong all you want, but in the fantasy realm in my mind I'm right. It's all fantasy, so how do we have an enforceable argument? We're both [I]right.[/I] Just in my fantasy setting there's psionics (or "the force" to be reductionist) and then there's magic. They're different things. That work differently. Still, I don't think that's going to be enough to stop the arguments. To extend the Eastern/Western metaphor, there's some sounds in Mandarin or other Asian languages that I'm simply never going to hear because my brain just doesn't make the distinction. At the same time, my 5 year old nephew can hear the difference in those phonemes just fine because his brain still has the plasticity to recognize and categorize them. Somewhere in my childhood I must have come up with a different idea of what psionics is when I was flipping around in that 2e psioncists handbook and reading those Joe Dever Magnamund books. You may have interacted with similar fiction or game mechanics, but to you it was just another form of magic. It will never be something else, and everytime I say Xi, you're going to hear Shi. [/QUOTE]

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