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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7673645" data-attributes="member: 22779">But, [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] - aren't your examples problematic?&nbsp; This isn't really &quot;psionics are different&quot; when all you're doing is cherry picking magical effects, is it?&nbsp; If Psi can summon demons, do dimensional travel, animate the dead and summon monsters (what difference does it really make if they're &quot;Monsters of the ID&quot; or Fey monsters a la druid summoning?) all you're doing is creating just another spell caster with a different spell list.If we want psionics to be different, shouldn't they be doing things that the spell lists flat out can't do?Only problem with that is, the spell lists, as they stand, pretty much cover a lot of ground.&nbsp; There isn't a whole lot of space left if we don't start copying spell effects.&nbsp; I think that all this base class vs subclass debate has hidden the real issue - what's left for a psionicist to do that isn't already covered?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7673645, member: 22779"] But, [MENTION=19675]Dannyalcatraz[/MENTION] - aren't your examples problematic? This isn't really "psionics are different" when all you're doing is cherry picking magical effects, is it? If Psi can summon demons, do dimensional travel, animate the dead and summon monsters (what difference does it really make if they're "Monsters of the ID" or Fey monsters a la druid summoning?) all you're doing is creating just another spell caster with a different spell list. If we want psionics to be different, shouldn't they be doing things that the spell lists flat out can't do? Only problem with that is, the spell lists, as they stand, pretty much cover a lot of ground. There isn't a whole lot of space left if we don't start copying spell effects. I think that all this base class vs subclass debate has hidden the real issue - what's left for a psionicist to do that isn't already covered? [/QUOTE]

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