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<blockquote data-quote="I'm A Banana" data-source="post: 7673791" data-attributes="member: 2067">The thing is, these are not the Sorcerer's defining characteristics - none of these things are things that sorcerers necessarily need to have. The sorcerer's defining characteristic, it's central story, is &quot;I have an origin that gives me supernatural abilities.&quot; In the version of the sorcerer we have so far, that uses Charisma, spell slots or points, might cast magic missile, and has some ability to modify its magic on the fly. It's central story seems to overlap pretty neatly with what you want psionics to be, which means there's a bit of a juncture here - either psionics are something else/more/different, or psionics is expressed somehow via the sorcerer class.Mearls seems to be going in the former direction, at lest for this tweet/thought experiment.In 5e/FR D&amp;D, if the Weave stopped existing tomorrow, a monk wouldn't age, and a dragon could still fly and a tiefling could still cast hellish rebuke. Certain classes couldn't cast spells anymore, but druids could still wild shape, and clerics could still channel divinity. Which means that 5e has precedence for magic that doesn't reference the Weave. If the only thing &quot;not magic&quot; about psionics is that it's off-the grid, that's not enough for it to be &quot;not magic&quot; by 5e standards. That's kind of like insisting that wizards don't use magic, they use a little-understood science (which is actually a lot like wizards have been presented in D&amp;D). That sorcerers don't use magic, they are just mutants. That warlocks don't use magic, they just have the power of some otherworldly entity. That clerics don't use magic, they just have their prayers answered. That druids don't use magic, they just have knowledge of the natural world. That dragonflight isn't magical, it's just that they have the ability to shift their mass to another dimension at will. You can make that insistence, but it makes the word &quot;magic&quot; pretty meaningless, since it if reading minds and predicing the future and using your thoughts to control the actions of others is only &quot;sometimes magical,&quot; the word ceases to apply to things that anyone using common language would describe as magical.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="I'm A Banana, post: 7673791, member: 2067"] The thing is, these are not the Sorcerer's defining characteristics - none of these things are things that sorcerers necessarily need to have. The sorcerer's defining characteristic, it's central story, is "I have an origin that gives me supernatural abilities." In the version of the sorcerer we have so far, that uses Charisma, spell slots or points, might cast magic missile, and has some ability to modify its magic on the fly. It's central story seems to overlap pretty neatly with what you want psionics to be, which means there's a bit of a juncture here - either psionics are something else/more/different, or psionics is expressed somehow via the sorcerer class. Mearls seems to be going in the former direction, at lest for this tweet/thought experiment. In 5e/FR D&D, if the Weave stopped existing tomorrow, a monk wouldn't age, and a dragon could still fly and a tiefling could still cast [I]hellish rebuke[/I]. Certain classes couldn't cast spells anymore, but druids could still wild shape, and clerics could still channel divinity. Which means that 5e has precedence for magic that doesn't reference the Weave. If the only thing "not magic" about psionics is that it's off-the grid, that's not enough for it to be "not magic" by 5e standards. That's kind of like insisting that wizards don't use magic, they use a little-understood science (which is actually a lot like wizards have been presented in D&D). That sorcerers don't use magic, they are just mutants. That warlocks don't use magic, they just have the power of some otherworldly entity. That clerics don't use magic, they just have their prayers answered. That druids don't use magic, they just have knowledge of the natural world. That dragonflight isn't magical, it's just that they have the ability to shift their mass to another dimension at will. You can make that insistence, but it makes the word "magic" pretty meaningless, since it if reading minds and predicing the future and using your thoughts to control the actions of others is only "sometimes magical," the word ceases to apply to things that anyone using common language would describe as magical. [/QUOTE]

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