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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 7673902" data-attributes="member: 7635">I look at like I saw the class debate of the playtest; some people were advocating for subclasses to handle EVERYTHING, including many of the core classes like paladin, bard, ranger, barbarian, and monk. I mean, we had 10/12 classes in their near final form and people on this board were calling for "scrapping the barbarian and make it a background" or "removing the ranger and making it a subclass" level changes. I imagine if WotC had started at a position of "make it a subclass, then branch out" we might have ended up up with 3-4 classes in the PHB and everything else a subclass of them.In fact, that idea WAS tried c.f. the Mage playtest, when the wizard, sorcerer and warlock were all going to share a class and the subclasses determined your caster ability and spells. It was abandoned then due to people wanting those classes to have a unique identity and logistical headaches with three caster systems in one class. We never even got the sorcerer or warlock part to playtest it was so hard to splice systems. I can't imagine its easier now. All of this leads me back to my position; WotC has tried the subclass route (wizardficer) and its tried the alt-casting wizard route (mage) and neither were well received. Trying again seems like waste of resources (and at this point it seems every resource at WotC is critical). We might just get a power-point class that feels like a direct conversion of the 3.5 psion (psicrystals and all), which while not flavorful (basically, a spell-point wizard) at least tries to capture the feel. We might get something more like 2e's psionicist class (incorporating ideas but balancing the system). We might get something totally new (though with 5e's pennant for nostalgia, I doubt so). I'm hoping that WotC is signalling doing psionics "right" and not leaving it a sorcerer sublcass in a UA, but I could be wrong. I was on warlord.</blockquote>

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