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<blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 7519265" data-attributes="member: 48965">Not an rpg... By whose definition?&nbsp; And yes you can engage the fiction as part of the process of play.&nbsp; Is it limited in how the fiction can be engaged? Yes...but so are some indie roleplaying gamesEh, not sure what this has to do with anything since I haven't asserted what you are suggesting above...So it states directly or discusses directly how these tiers (and destinies) should be used to determine DC's?&nbsp; If so again I'll ask where? and if not well...it's not doing anything by mentioning them that 5e isn't doing as well in mentioning them...And?&nbsp; Unless your claim now is that DC selection can only be done via 4e's specific, by level, method... i'm not sure why whether 5e uses level to determine a DC is relevant as long as it provides a methodology.&nbsp; 5e has a DC chart for levels 1-20 and because of bounded accuracy it works.&nbsp; IMO, it's elegant, more streamlined and requires less overhead than 4e's method.&nbsp; And at the end of the day the DM is still deciding on what fiction translates to what difficulty number in both systems.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Imaro, post: 7519265, member: 48965"] Not an rpg... By whose definition? And yes you can engage the fiction as part of the process of play. Is it limited in how the fiction can be engaged? Yes...but so are some indie roleplaying games Eh, not sure what this has to do with anything since I haven't asserted what you are suggesting above... So it states directly or discusses directly how these tiers (and destinies) should be used to determine DC's? If so again I'll ask where? and if not well...it's not doing anything by mentioning them that 5e isn't doing as well in mentioning them... And? Unless your claim now is that DC selection can only be done via 4e's specific, by level, method... i'm not sure why whether 5e uses level to determine a DC is relevant as long as it provides a methodology. 5e has a DC chart for levels 1-20 and because of bounded accuracy it works. IMO, it's elegant, more streamlined and requires less overhead than 4e's method. And at the end of the day the DM is still deciding on what fiction translates to what difficulty number in both systems. [/QUOTE]

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