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<blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 7521263" data-attributes="member: 29398">Don't be so quick to judge, sir. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />In a previous campaign of mine something similar actually happened: a PC died and couldn't be revived by conventional means, so another character - a non-caster! - decided she was going to find a way to get into Niflheim and somehow retrieve the soul from Hel.&nbsp; She did her research and found a means of getting there - a long journey on this world followed by a walk through a very dangerous tunnel to a planar gate through which you had to in some combination fight and bribe your way through, then very likely another long journey once in Niflheim.She rounded up a party and off they went.&nbsp; In theory a party entirely made up of non-casters could have done this adventure, though they'd have found serious trouble at the tunnel to the gate as it was crawling with undead; but the party was a mixed group of casters and non.&nbsp; All went fairly well until they reached Hel's hall, whereupon Hel challenged them: your champion against mine in a death match.&nbsp; You win, you get your guy back.&nbsp; You lose, your souls are mine.&nbsp; Any of you who don't wish to be part of this bargain can leave right now, take your chances outside, and will not face the usual defenses if and when you find a way to leave this plane.Two PCs left, and eventually found their way off-plane and back to the prime material (though on the wrong world, and stuck there).The rest took on the challenge, and selected a champion from among themselves.&nbsp; I-as-DM set the odds somewhat in the party champion's favour (at best guess he'd win about 65-75% of the time - Hel's champion had a slightly worse AC, fewer h.p., and might have been a level lower, I forget now), and the remaining party loaded their guy up with all their best magic to further tilt the field.And even with all that, the PC lost.&nbsp; End of party.&nbsp; Happy Hel. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /></blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lanefan, post: 7521263, member: 29398"] Don't be so quick to judge, sir. :) In a previous campaign of mine something similar actually happened: a PC died and couldn't be revived by conventional means, so another character - a non-caster! - decided she was going to find a way to get into Niflheim and somehow retrieve the soul from Hel. She did her research and found a means of getting there - a long journey on this world followed by a walk through a very dangerous tunnel to a planar gate through which you had to in some combination fight and bribe your way through, then very likely another long journey once in Niflheim. She rounded up a party and off they went. In theory a party entirely made up of non-casters could have done this adventure, though they'd have found serious trouble at the tunnel to the gate as it was crawling with undead; but the party was a mixed group of casters and non. All went fairly well until they reached Hel's hall, whereupon Hel challenged them: your champion against mine in a death match. You win, you get your guy back. You lose, your souls are mine. Any of you who don't wish to be part of this bargain can leave right now, take your chances outside, and will not face the usual defenses if and when you find a way to leave this plane. Two PCs left, and eventually found their way off-plane and back to the prime material (though on the wrong world, and stuck there). The rest took on the challenge, and selected a champion from among themselves. I-as-DM set the odds somewhat in the party champion's favour (at best guess he'd win about 65-75% of the time - Hel's champion had a slightly worse AC, fewer h.p., and might have been a level lower, I forget now), and the remaining party loaded their guy up with all their best magic to further tilt the field. And even with all that, the PC lost. End of party. Happy Hel. :) [/QUOTE]

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