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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 7524563" data-attributes="member: 957">It says &quot;If she makes that check, she gets a hold on the chandelier and swings to the ogre.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; Then it says &quot;Then comes the kicking.&quot;.You are not accurately describing the content as presented in the book.The book CLEARLY states that part (1) is about the grabbing and swinging.&nbsp;&nbsp; Your interpretation is not a fair one and is not what an unbiased reader would conclude.I agree with you 100% that it is a stupid approach.&nbsp; I'm glad you are rejecting it.The bottom line remains, the words in the DMG are the words in the DMG.&nbsp; And another 4E could have been.Edit: And please clarify for me.&nbsp; If you are right why in the world does the book explicitly reference the &quot;character level&quot;.&nbsp; Both you and Pem have claimed that the ogre is understood, thus it is the monster that sets the DC.&nbsp; But the monster has a CR!!!!&nbsp; Why not simply have table 42 reference the monster and not the character?&nbsp; If they meant it the way you are spinning it (spoiler: they didn't) then they would say it in a much more direct way.&nbsp; There is a simple option of directly referring to one number which will always be right.&nbsp; And yet you claim it references one number which is understood as a means to imply another number which is right and readily available, but isn't actually used.Plus, the 8th level character might not fight a L28 creature.&nbsp; But clearly it could be fighting a CR6 goblin wizard, or a CR11 hill giant boss of the ogre.&nbsp; And yet the book, in plain English,&nbsp; makes it abundantly clear that NONE OF THIS MATTERS.&nbsp; The DC to &quot;get a hold and swing&quot; is expressly a function of the character.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 7524563, member: 957"] It says "If she makes that check, she gets a hold on the chandelier and swings to the ogre." Then it says "Then comes the kicking.". You are not accurately describing the content as presented in the book. The book CLEARLY states that part (1) is about the grabbing and swinging. Your interpretation is not a fair one and is not what an unbiased reader would conclude. I agree with you 100% that it is a stupid approach. I'm glad you are rejecting it. The bottom line remains, the words in the DMG are the words in the DMG. And another 4E could have been. Edit: And please clarify for me. If you are right why in the world does the book explicitly reference the "character level". Both you and Pem have claimed that the ogre is understood, thus it is the monster that sets the DC. But the monster has a CR!!!! Why not simply have table 42 reference the monster and not the character? If they meant it the way you are spinning it (spoiler: they didn't) then they would say it in a much more direct way. There is a simple option of directly referring to one number which will always be right. And yet you claim it references one number which is understood as a means to imply another number which is right and readily available, but isn't actually used. Plus, the 8th level character might not fight a L28 creature. But clearly it could be fighting a CR6 goblin wizard, or a CR11 hill giant boss of the ogre. And yet the book, in plain English, makes it abundantly clear that NONE OF THIS MATTERS. The DC to "get a hold and swing" is expressly a function of the character. [/QUOTE]

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