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<blockquote data-quote="Sadras" data-source="post: 7525355" data-attributes="member: 6688277">I understand where you're coming from, but the issue I have is your example and my example are completely different. Yours is a 3-day affair, mine is relatively much shorter.I did not communicate the 2 consecutive check rule to the players, it was handled informally and without their knowledge so in a sense it was organic.Fortunately (I suppose), they all participated naturally without any min-maxing / meta-thinking based on classes and proficiencies (Battlemaster, Cleric, Sorcerer, Wizard and NPC father).I intended it to be a conversation. I suppose I could have used Athletics (the growing winds summoned by the Ice Witch to intimidate the PCs) as well as Insight, Deception but it never came to that. I admit I'm no expert on SC, particularly the way 4e handles them, but the argument flowed naturally and the persuasion skill seemed like the best fit. I didn't have a 3 day idea or using a multitude of skills. For me it is easier planning the idea you mentioned for an exploration challenge and I have done so, successfully I think.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadras, post: 7525355, member: 6688277"] I understand where you're coming from, but the issue I have is your example and my example are completely different. Yours is a 3-day affair, mine is relatively much shorter. I did not communicate the 2 consecutive check rule to the players, it was handled informally and without their knowledge so in a sense it was organic. Fortunately (I suppose), they all participated naturally without any min-maxing / meta-thinking based on classes and proficiencies (Battlemaster, Cleric, Sorcerer, Wizard and NPC father). I intended it to be a conversation. I suppose I could have used Athletics (the growing winds summoned by the Ice Witch to intimidate the PCs) as well as Insight, Deception but it never came to that. I admit I'm no expert on SC, particularly the way 4e handles them, but the argument flowed naturally and the persuasion skill seemed like the best fit. I didn't have a 3 day idea or using a multitude of skills. For me it is easier planning the idea you mentioned for an exploration challenge and I have done so, successfully I think. [/QUOTE]

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