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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 7082044" data-attributes="member: 5100"><p>I didn't pick up Wars, but read enough of it to agree -- it was not a good thing. Unfortunately, it somewhat split the fanbase between the red-and-gold box and the Wars folks. As far as I can tell, the Wars folks have moved on, but I won't be surprised if there are a few around to throw things at me. I'm afraid that whatever Mearls does is going to be more Wars than red-and-gold box. *sigh* </p><p></p><p></p><p>No disagreements, from me. The way I've heard it phrased (by Gygax, maybe?) was:</p><p></p><p>Evil-hating neutrals.</p><p></p><p>I've always liked that turn of phrase. Adventurers in Greyhawk aren't (usually) doing it out of altruism. They're doing it because orcs, dragons, etc. have cool toys. Also, they aren't really troubled by the whole killing monstrous creatures thing -- the creatures, they're monsters, and monsters are for killing, duh. Sure, you've got paladins, the Shield Lands, etc. but even they just have to suck it up and deal with the fact that most other "competent" folks are pretty much just mercenaries. Even then, the paladins tend to be kinda jerks and comfortable with dispatching their foes and letting the gods sort things out.</p><p></p><p>When Greyhawk heroes deal with world-changing events, it's as likely to be because demigods taking over the city of Greyhawk would be incredibly inconvenient as it is because they actually feel responsible for protecting the commoners. They hate evil. They don't love good.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Mordenkainen is every bit as powerful as Elminster. This was pretty apparent even in the Dragon articles Ed wrote where he had the two sharing information. The big difference is that Mordenkainen is intentionally Neutral. Unless it impacts him, directly, he isn't likely to get involved. Even if it does involve him directly, why would he risk his own life for minimal gain when some other poor chump is already taking care of it?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 7082044, member: 5100"] I didn't pick up Wars, but read enough of it to agree -- it was not a good thing. Unfortunately, it somewhat split the fanbase between the red-and-gold box and the Wars folks. As far as I can tell, the Wars folks have moved on, but I won't be surprised if there are a few around to throw things at me. I'm afraid that whatever Mearls does is going to be more Wars than red-and-gold box. *sigh* No disagreements, from me. The way I've heard it phrased (by Gygax, maybe?) was: Evil-hating neutrals. I've always liked that turn of phrase. Adventurers in Greyhawk aren't (usually) doing it out of altruism. They're doing it because orcs, dragons, etc. have cool toys. Also, they aren't really troubled by the whole killing monstrous creatures thing -- the creatures, they're monsters, and monsters are for killing, duh. Sure, you've got paladins, the Shield Lands, etc. but even they just have to suck it up and deal with the fact that most other "competent" folks are pretty much just mercenaries. Even then, the paladins tend to be kinda jerks and comfortable with dispatching their foes and letting the gods sort things out. When Greyhawk heroes deal with world-changing events, it's as likely to be because demigods taking over the city of Greyhawk would be incredibly inconvenient as it is because they actually feel responsible for protecting the commoners. They hate evil. They don't love good. Mordenkainen is every bit as powerful as Elminster. This was pretty apparent even in the Dragon articles Ed wrote where he had the two sharing information. The big difference is that Mordenkainen is intentionally Neutral. Unless it impacts him, directly, he isn't likely to get involved. Even if it does involve him directly, why would he risk his own life for minimal gain when some other poor chump is already taking care of it? [/QUOTE]
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