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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Avenger" data-source="post: 7085292" data-attributes="member: 779">Only when compared to the standard fantasy worlds campaign settings, as it could be argued that Dark Sun, Ravenloft and Planescape have more of either grittiness or moral ambiguity.  But in terms of the standard fantasy settings that may be true.It failed in terms of trying to establish itself as the default setting of 3e.  The iconic characters like Tordek, Hennet, Mialee, Krusk and so on were intended to be people from Oerth not Toril, and the 3e PHB itself used Greyhawk deities like Wee Jas, Kord and Saint Cuthbert.  But despite being the official default setting of 3e, it was barely developed in 3e beyond the Living Greyhawk stuff and whatever the short-lived revision of the miniature game Chainmail added to Oerth.And a lot of this comes down to the edition played in and the playstyle of the group rather than the campaign setting itself.The problem in differentiating them is that they all are worlds with many of the standard fantasy tropes that focus in places that are vaguely late-medieval/early-Renaissance Western European (yes I know FR has Calimshan and GH has the Baklunish, for the often ignored Middle Eastern parts).  The differences between FR and GH are smaller compared to the differences between Forgotten Realms and Eberron, or the differences between Greyhawk and Ravenloft.  And that's what makes them harder to differentiate to non-hardcore fans.</blockquote>

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