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<blockquote data-quote="Aldarc" data-source="post: 7086031" data-attributes="member: 5142"><p>As I said, in some ways, Eberron is more advanced than current society due to its magitech. And while it has armies of mechanical men, giant robots, and flying ships, none of them really follow steampunk aesthetics and its core assumptions. There's nothing particularly clockwork, riveted, steampowered, or Victorian about them. The flying ships, for example, aren't the usual Steampunk dirigibles. There's nothing particularly mechanical about them. The entire steampunk genre likes to give the false perception that their creations are the result of scientific engineering. It attempts to deceive people into the fantasy of thinking that this is scientifically possible, and people basically nod and go along with it. But in Eberron, the images are oozing with magic, such as bound-elemental rings surrounding the flying ships. The moment that you basically say that "magic did it," then it seems to me as if you are breaking a fundamental aesthetic of Steampunk. And the warforged don't look like conventional Steampunk clockwork automatons, but golems of metal and wood. And another glaring absence of the steampunk genre: where are the guns in Eberron? The images are filled with bows, swords, axes, and the like that largely break any sense of steampunk immersion. The closest that we get are with wand duelists, but this evokes Harry Potter more than anything nowadays. </p><p></p><p>They aren't necessarily exclusive to noir, but intrigue is closely part of noir. There is very much a Maltese Falcon vibe to Eberron. You could basically run an adventure set to the movie, but with a dragonshard as the MacGuffin. Or you could draw from noir-inspired sci-fi, such as Blade Runner, Minority Report, or Alphaville. </p><p></p><p>So you mean it's about like how Eberron isn't Steampunk? There are a number of Eberron adventures that entail murder mysteries. It's not necessarily "true noir," but it's clearly attempting to evoke a similar feel.</p><p></p><p>I'll admit that I'm skeptical that Mearls would know how to do that and which setting that would even be.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aldarc, post: 7086031, member: 5142"] As I said, in some ways, Eberron is more advanced than current society due to its magitech. And while it has armies of mechanical men, giant robots, and flying ships, none of them really follow steampunk aesthetics and its core assumptions. There's nothing particularly clockwork, riveted, steampowered, or Victorian about them. The flying ships, for example, aren't the usual Steampunk dirigibles. There's nothing particularly mechanical about them. The entire steampunk genre likes to give the false perception that their creations are the result of scientific engineering. It attempts to deceive people into the fantasy of thinking that this is scientifically possible, and people basically nod and go along with it. But in Eberron, the images are oozing with magic, such as bound-elemental rings surrounding the flying ships. The moment that you basically say that "magic did it," then it seems to me as if you are breaking a fundamental aesthetic of Steampunk. And the warforged don't look like conventional Steampunk clockwork automatons, but golems of metal and wood. And another glaring absence of the steampunk genre: where are the guns in Eberron? The images are filled with bows, swords, axes, and the like that largely break any sense of steampunk immersion. The closest that we get are with wand duelists, but this evokes Harry Potter more than anything nowadays. They aren't necessarily exclusive to noir, but intrigue is closely part of noir. There is very much a Maltese Falcon vibe to Eberron. You could basically run an adventure set to the movie, but with a dragonshard as the MacGuffin. Or you could draw from noir-inspired sci-fi, such as Blade Runner, Minority Report, or Alphaville. So you mean it's about like how Eberron isn't Steampunk? There are a number of Eberron adventures that entail murder mysteries. It's not necessarily "true noir," but it's clearly attempting to evoke a similar feel. I'll admit that I'm skeptical that Mearls would know how to do that and which setting that would even be. [/QUOTE]
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