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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9791722" data-attributes="member: 6790260">But doesn't this undercut your own argument?Expertise is worse than your claim of the +10 over 20 levels being a problem, because that's +12 over 20 levels.More to the point though, the defense I mentioned is that I think you're incorrect about the conclusion "all it did was push the numbers up more". No, it did not. It made the game such that facing truly insanely strong enemies, like something 9+ levels above the party, was trying to do the impossible unless you changed the situation. Meaning, it actually did create a world where ultra-difficult opponents clearly and unequivocally have the edge unless the party takes actions to address that gap--or finds a way to fight asymmetrically. Likewise, it made ultra-weak enemies clearly curb-stomp-able. You want to never ever use minion rules? Go right ahead! You'll see quite quickly that weak monsters have actually been outclassed by the PCs, so they can actually see their progression right before their eyes.Because that's what the books actually tell you to do.And you should be doing the same thing with skill checks too. A traveller who has tasted the planes, fought off fire giant thanes, treated with lords and ladies of the fae, and walked the streets of the City of Brass, should find it pretty tame to deal with things like sneaking past a town guard or popping a lock made of mere iron. So you should include things like the occasional raid of a mortal-world fortress where the players can see that their characters have learned and grown from their adventures, and are now genuinely beyond things that would have been major obstacles once upon a time. That grounds their adventures. It reminds them where they came from--and how far they have yet to go. It proves that all those little moments, the times they listened to each other, or practiced, or strategized, really did change them.Forged in the crucible of adventure, they have become too hard, too sharp for the world they once knew.</blockquote>

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