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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9800901" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>Frankly, whether this is or isn't done in 13A official rules is kind of irrelevant to my argument. I've never--not once, <em>ever</em>--in 12+ years of playing 5e, had a GM who even did what you describe here. Never.</p><p></p><p>You use your spell. You'd better hope you waited long enough.</p><p></p><p>At least with Hussar's group there's a <em>loose</em> way to tell because we use a virtual tabletop, which shows the HP bar depleting. If you've kept loose track of how much damage something has taken, you can make at least an educated guess. But in any gam <em>not</em> on a VTT? 5e GMs, in literally every single experience I've ever had, will not tell you anything useful about a target's HP. Not even whether or not an HP-threshold-based spell will in fact work.</p><p></p><p>Though, knowing Hussar, he would probably let you have a Perception roll to check. High result, you can know for sure if it will work or not. Low, you have no idea.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Fair enough, but I still argue that, <em>even though it does use this mechanic</em>, it's still clearly superior as both a tactical experience and getting the player invested into the process of fighting a tough fight. It both pushes people toward specific things, <em>and</em> means that you sometimes have to "take what you can get" rather than getting optimal results or nothing (like saving <em>fireball</em> for later, knowing that that might mean doing some damage to your party when everyone's in the scrum....or using it <em>now</em>, but knowing it might do almost nothing).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 9800901, member: 6790260"] Frankly, whether this is or isn't done in 13A official rules is kind of irrelevant to my argument. I've never--not once, [I]ever[/I]--in 12+ years of playing 5e, had a GM who even did what you describe here. Never. You use your spell. You'd better hope you waited long enough. At least with Hussar's group there's a [I]loose[/I] way to tell because we use a virtual tabletop, which shows the HP bar depleting. If you've kept loose track of how much damage something has taken, you can make at least an educated guess. But in any gam [I]not[/I] on a VTT? 5e GMs, in literally every single experience I've ever had, will not tell you anything useful about a target's HP. Not even whether or not an HP-threshold-based spell will in fact work. Though, knowing Hussar, he would probably let you have a Perception roll to check. High result, you can know for sure if it will work or not. Low, you have no idea. Fair enough, but I still argue that, [I]even though it does use this mechanic[/I], it's still clearly superior as both a tactical experience and getting the player invested into the process of fighting a tough fight. It both pushes people toward specific things, [I]and[/I] means that you sometimes have to "take what you can get" rather than getting optimal results or nothing (like saving [I]fireball[/I] for later, knowing that that might mean doing some damage to your party when everyone's in the scrum....or using it [I]now[/I], but knowing it might do almost nothing). [/QUOTE]
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