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Message: <blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 9806030" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I mean, they kind of had to rebuild the game from the ground up when WotC was doing 3rd edition. You yourself have more than once admitted that the 2e engine, as much as you approve of many things it contains, was cumbersome, disorganized, and unnecessarily difficult to use.Then, when 3e proved to be absolutely riddled with mechanical flaws, well...I mean they kept most of the chassis intact, but yes, they rebuilt most of the things on it. Like taking the existing airframe of a military jet and re-designing the engine, radar, cockpit, etc. It's still, technically, the same structure...but the guts, despite fitting into the same space, are not the same.I disagree about 5e though. It's very, very clearly a modified version of 3e. Like that is very much what its mechanics are. It is a more extensively modified version of 3e than PF1e was, with an eye toward being ever-so-slightly simpler, kinda-sorta numerically capped in certain ways, and moderately less "casters rule, warriors drool". 90%+ of what is in 5e is specifically built from something in 3e.</blockquote>