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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Minigiant" data-source="post: 9807853" data-attributes="member: 63508">Only due to unwillingness to make it work If the monster is epic, make it CR 17 or up.Don't dumb it down so you can put it in a level 1-10 adventure.No The strongest vampire in 5e is CR 15.That's the problem. Elder Vampires should be more powerful.Then you forgot. Giants go from  level 13 to 24Storm titans are above level 25.No. It's not a trick A street level threat is a threat to a street.A city level threat is a threat to a city.A kingdom level threat is a threat to a kingdom.A world level threat is a threat to a world/plane.A minor gang boss is just a threat to a street. If the city guard wanted to take him or her out, they could take him out A major mob boss is a city level threat. It means they threaten a city. A city's power players are threatened by his existence.The problem lies when someone says the Elder Vampire threatened the country. They can raise and command an army. BUT they are so weak they are obviously local Dracula controls a country and threatens a continent. If you want to make a monster that is like a Dracula, it should be high level enough to do so or using a McGuffin to elevate itself.The issue is people lie. If the world is extinct you better be above level 15 and that's the very minimum..WOTC and many 3PP writers don't know how to write "If we don't stop X, the World as we know it will end" adventures.Everything beyond the kingdom red level requires whole new style of adventure.</blockquote>

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