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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9608798" data-attributes="member: 93670">I think that there is also some "channel the criticism/meme" without even acknowledging why the other side of that criticism liked it when discussing things that segment of more experienced players miss going on with that self policing.A perfect example is when he mentions<a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/hot-take-d-d-has-not-recovered-from-2e-to-3-0-transition.693849/post-8861111" target="_blank"> the old dc tables</a> and references an example of DC to climb a wall slick with butter.  That exchange both parodies the actual reasonable example of "climb a slick brick wall" entry and completely dismisses the "who could do it∆" entry attached to it  as a thing to even notice or consider that others might have value in such a metric.  Not only that is the ignored fact that the old dc chart went all the way with who could do it to give examples of things where difficulty and conditions could tax exen a high level hyper specialized individual who needs to roll high by going up to examples like tracking  a goblin that passed over hard rocks a week ago, and it snowed yesterday§.5e & the whole back to basics push really struggles to even pretend there is merit to having a distinction other than fiat dividing could do and almost certainly guaranteed to succeed in doing. The constant trend to caricaturize anything slightly more complex into ad-absurdum territory very much lays bare the need to do better.∆ it's a high level barbarian who could do it § it's 20th-level ranger who has maxed out his Survival skill and has been fighting goblinoids who could do it.</blockquote>

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