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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngeheuerLich" data-source="post: 6053598" data-attributes="member: 59057">Totally called it:stat modifiers to all damage is what caused the bulk of the hp bloat. Maybe fighters get a feature, that adds both expertise dice and stat to damage (exceptional strength!!!), but by default, it is not added.This way, first level hp can be low enough that everyone feels confortable. 3hp goblins suddenly make sense, as there is a chance, that someone actually rolls a 2.A second important thing is to remember, that as long as strength added to damage, everything was fine... but when in 4e dexterity also added to damage by default, every monster that was exceptionally nimble, but very weak started to do a lot of damage for no reason...So please, test playing without adding dexterity and strength modifier to damage.Let sneak attack add dexterity bonus to damage as an extra bonus, and allow the figter to add strength to damage as his extra!This way most people should be happy!</blockquote>