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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Falling Icicle" data-source="post: 6054440" data-attributes="member: 17077">Ok, let me try to explain this better.The way the game is right now, characters start with extremely low HP (their hit die + con modifier), but gain them very rapidly as they level, multiplying the amount of damage it takes to kill them. A 10th level fighter, for example, has several times as many hp as a 1st level fighter, and is doing +3d10 damage with deadly strike. Because of this, a few point bonus to damage from strength makes a pretty big difference at 1st level, but by the time a character is 10th level, a few points of damage is inisignificant, totally dwarfed by expertise dice and hp bloat.Mike Mearl's suggested removing the ability bonus to damage as a solution to this problem. IMO, the problem here isn't the ability modifier, its the drastic rate at which hp and expertise dice scale. If players had more hp at 1st level (something alot of people want to see anyway, for other reasons) and gained hp more slowly, and if expertise dice scaled much more slowly, then your ability modifier wouldnt be ovpowered at 1st level yet insignificant at higher levels.Removing the ability bonus to damage is not only a radical change for the game, it still leaves many other problems caused by the hp and damage bloat. Your ability modifier  is not the only thing rendered insignificant by the ridiculous expertise dice at higher levels. Your choice of weapon is also made largely irrelevant. Magic weapons, which can only add +3 damage, and maybe +1d6 energy damage, are also rendered largely insignificant. And worst of all, the huge damage potential of deadly strike makes using other maneuvers too costly an option. It might be worth giving up 1d4 or 1d6 damage to trip someone. It's not worth giving up 3-30 points of damage to do so in most cases. I'd much rather my enemy be dead than be alive and tripped. So in that respect, the rapid growth of expertise dice end up ruining the very maneuver system they were designed for!</blockquote>

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