Min/Max: Polymorph and Shape Change

[ashockney]

Ok, all you min/max'ing fiends. Someone must have done the legwork on this already. What are the best "polymorph" and "shape change" types?

I'm especially looking for those that have the best impact on:

Initiative
Attack Bonus
Armor Class
Attack Routine
Attack Routine/Weapon Damage
Tactical Advantage
Damage Avoidance
Damage Reduction
Immunities
Movement

Discuss...

 

[Mulkhoran]

heh heh.........

This was posted over in the Alter Self strategy thread :

3.5 Polymorph thread

 

[ashockney]

heh heh.........

This was posted over in the Alter Self strategy thread :

3.5 Polymorph thread

Thank you.

Anyone know a good source for shape change?

 

[ashockney]

Also, anyone get a "DEFINITIVE" ruling on what carrys over with you in the new form, and what doesn't?

Which of these would carry over if you were altered/polymorphed?

Enhancement from spell (Bull's Str)
Enhancement from item (Belt of Str)
Inherent to Str (from book)
Size bonus from Enlargement (Enlarge Person)
Morale bonus to Str (Rage spell)

 

[Thanee]

AFAIK, all but the size bonus, unless your new form is also humanoid (altho even then it might not).
The belt is only useable, if the new form can wear it, tho.

Bye
Thanee

 

[sledged]

The belt is only useable, if the new form can wear it, tho.

How does one determine what items a creature can and cannot wear? Can a druid wildshape into belt-wearing bear or wolf? How about an eagle wearing a ring on one of its talons? What's a good way of determining where the limit is?

 

[mikebr99]

Also, anyone get a "DEFINITIVE" ruling on what carrys over with you in the new form, and what doesn't?

Which of these would carry over if you were altered/polymorphed?

Enhancement from spell (Bull's Str)
Enhancement from item (Belt of Str)
Inherent to Str (from book)
Size bonus from Enlargement (Enlarge Person)
Morale bonus to Str (Rage spell)

Well, have a boo at the RotG - Polymorphing (4 parts)... http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040511a

And... http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/re/20031125a
At the bottom, there are animal item slots.

Mike

 

[Will]

Marilith and titan are both excellent forms.

Druid in my game has been stomping over every encounter in Marut form. Christos.

Construct (not living, immune to mind-affecting), DR 15/chaotic, one fist blinds, the other deafens.

If it wasn't for dispel, disjunction, and mace of smiting, I'd end the game right now.

 

[Thanee]

What's a good way of determining where the limit is?

I'd go by common sense there, but mikebr99 posted a good link about the subject, which could be useful as a guideline.

Bye
Thanee

 

[Oscar carramiñana]

Very thanks mikebr99, very usefull