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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Layander" data-source="post: 5109267" data-attributes="member: 69155">I think what I am mostly seeing here is, one of three things, Some say min/maxing isnt that bad but there are other play options, some say min/maxing is how the game is supposed to be played, and then trolls who tease for me posting this question in the first place.I guess it does answer my question, no one is directly oposed to min maxing any more, being worried about it in todays world is i guess a pointless fad. And I can live with that, I guess, its differant than what I am used to but I can live with it.The only problem I have with it now, I guess, are all of the horrible things I have seen because of some people who min maxed in my groups. I know experiances vary from group to group and I can imagine where people who go to far into any one play style can be a detraction from the game. If thats, min/maxing, roleplaying, or joketelling to much of one or the other can be a problem.I like being able to discuss things here so let me ask about specific problems I have had with some players I personally play with who Min/Max to a negative impact on the game.Let me start with a min/maxing rules lawyer. He spends hours pouring over books, spending several days or weeks before putting a character down on the table, the character is a book with over 100 pages of every feat ability and spell he will ever take on any level every magic item he will ever take ect. The problem happens when he is informed that he selectively reads the abilities always in his favor, he ignores stacking rules if it helps him but points them out if it hurts the DM or another player, and if you refuse to accept his interpetation of the rule he has to stop playing the game and spend another week planing out all 30 levels of character progression because that feat being gone ruined the math for all the levels of his character.This is the first of several problems I have seen, I am not trying to be argumentitive, just trying to see a variety of ideas on the subject, I appreciate everyone being polite and discussing this with me so I can see how you would deal with this if you were in my place. Thank you so much for your time.</blockquote>

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