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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2027620" data-attributes="member: 2011">Now you are being silly over how I said something. You knew what I meant there.Except that I also cited lines from the FAQ that supports my view.You still have not stated how you (or the RAW) draw the line between &quot;divination spells that gather information&quot; and &quot;divination spells that do not gather information&quot;. And, you have not stated a single location in RAW that makes such a distinction. In order for your interpretation to be correct, there has to be at least ONE spell or rule in RAW that states that the divination spell does not gather information and hence bypasses Mind Blank (and similar protective magic).Your entire position centers around differentiating properties (information gathering vs. non-information gathering) about spells within the Divination school when those properties are not listed as game mechanics. There is no such game mechanic listed as a &quot;non-information gathering Divination spell&quot;.But, this is precisely why there are game mechanics such as &quot;mind-altering&quot; so that we know more than just &quot;enchantment school&quot;. You have no such game mechanic to support your position here.The entire school of Divination gathers information. It finds out hidden or secret things (including short term future AC vulnerabilities of a target with True Strike). That's the purpose of the Divination School and the definition of the word Divination, let's go to Webster:Divination \Div`i*na&quot;tion\, n. [L. divinatio, fr. divinare,&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; divinatum, to foresee, foretell, fr. divinus: cf. F.&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; divination. See Divine.]&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 1. The act of divining; a foreseeing or foretelling of future&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; events; the pretended art discovering secret or future by&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; preternatural means.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [1913 Webster]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; There shall not be found among you any one that . .&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; . useth divination, or an observer of times, or an&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; enchanter.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; --Deut. xviii.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 10.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [1913 Webster]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; Note: Among the ancient heathen philosophers natural&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; divination was supposed to be effected by a divine&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; afflatus; artificial divination by certain rites,&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; omens, or appearances, as the flight of birds, entrails&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; of animals, etc.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; [1913 Webster]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; 2. An indication of what is future or secret; augury omen;&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; conjectural presage; prediction.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [1913 Webster]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Birds which do give a happy divination of things to&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; come.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp; --Sir T.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; North.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [1913 Webster]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2027620, member: 2011"] Now you are being silly over how I said something. You knew what I meant there. Except that I also cited lines from the FAQ that supports my view. You still have not stated how you (or the RAW) draw the line between "divination spells that gather information" and "divination spells that do not gather information". And, you have not stated a single location in RAW that makes such a distinction. In order for your interpretation to be correct, there has to be at least ONE spell or rule in RAW that states that the divination spell does not gather information and hence bypasses Mind Blank (and similar protective magic). Your entire position centers around differentiating properties (information gathering vs. non-information gathering) about spells within the Divination school when those properties are not listed as game mechanics. There is no such game mechanic listed as a "non-information gathering Divination spell". But, this is precisely why there are game mechanics such as "mind-altering" so that we know more than just "enchantment school". You have no such game mechanic to support your position here. The entire school of Divination gathers information. It finds out hidden or secret things (including short term future AC vulnerabilities of a target with True Strike). That's the purpose of the Divination School and the definition of the word Divination, let's go to Webster: Divination \Div`i*na"tion\, n. [L. divinatio, fr. divinare, divinatum, to foresee, foretell, fr. divinus: cf. F. divination. See Divine.] 1. The act of divining; a foreseeing or foretelling of future events; the pretended art discovering secret or future by preternatural means. [1913 Webster] There shall not be found among you any one that . . . useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter. --Deut. xviii. 10. [1913 Webster] Note: Among the ancient heathen philosophers natural divination was supposed to be effected by a divine afflatus; artificial divination by certain rites, omens, or appearances, as the flight of birds, entrails of animals, etc. [1913 Webster] 2. An indication of what is future or secret; augury omen; conjectural presage; prediction. [1913 Webster] Birds which do give a happy divination of things to come. --Sir T. North. [1913 Webster] [/QUOTE]

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