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Mind Blank and Telepathic Bond = The Uninformed Barbarian?
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<blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2028034" data-attributes="member: 2011"><p>You have not once in this entire thread stated how you differentiate between Divination spells that "gather information" and ones that do not.</p><p></p><p>How is any other DM supposed to know how to do this without you saying how? Should they call Joker??? <img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" /> </p><p></p><p>The closest that you have come is stating that future predictors are not information gatherers, but you haven't yet once said how someone makes that distinction (and the fact that you have not told us how to do it shouts volumes that this is all interpretive gut feel and not RAW).</p><p></p><p>Future predictors do not gather information? How? Would you know that information if the spell didn't give it to you? What is the limitation of the phrase "gather information" and how would a DM know that from RAW?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Here are the substantial statements that you made so far and none of them indicate how someone differentiates between Divination spells that gather information and those that do not:</p><p></p><p></p><p>"Mind Blank states that it protects against all forms "information gathering by divination spells or effects." This does not mean that it protects against all spells from the Divinition School. IMO, spells that divine (which Mind Blank protects against) don't make up the entire school of spells that together are called the Divinition School.</p><p>I don't see Telepathic Bond as a spell that divines. However, that's just personal preferance"</p><p></p><p>"I don't see how True Strike is a detects emotions or thoughts spell, or is an information gatherer. By the wording it seems more like a future predicter than anything else."</p><p></p><p>"Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, does it state that Mind Blank blocks conversation, which IMO telepathy is just another form of."</p><p></p><p>"That wasn't the point of what I said. I quoted the Divinition section to show you that not all divinitions gather information, some actually (I know, go figure) look into the future. Some gather information (which Mind Blank specifically blocks), some look into the future (which Mind Blank says nothing about)."</p><p></p><p></p><p>At this point, you seem to not be discussing the rules, rather pointing fingers at what I say (you've done this twice now in the last two posts of yours). I suspect that you have a set answer for how you want to run this in your game (since you are the original poster) and dislike the fact that I have posted both RAW and FAQ that disagrees with your original opinion.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="KarinsDad, post: 2028034, member: 2011"] You have not once in this entire thread stated how you differentiate between Divination spells that "gather information" and ones that do not. How is any other DM supposed to know how to do this without you saying how? Should they call Joker??? :lol: The closest that you have come is stating that future predictors are not information gatherers, but you haven't yet once said how someone makes that distinction (and the fact that you have not told us how to do it shouts volumes that this is all interpretive gut feel and not RAW). Future predictors do not gather information? How? Would you know that information if the spell didn't give it to you? What is the limitation of the phrase "gather information" and how would a DM know that from RAW? Here are the substantial statements that you made so far and none of them indicate how someone differentiates between Divination spells that gather information and those that do not: "Mind Blank states that it protects against all forms "information gathering by divination spells or effects." This does not mean that it protects against all spells from the Divinition School. IMO, spells that divine (which Mind Blank protects against) don't make up the entire school of spells that together are called the Divinition School. I don't see Telepathic Bond as a spell that divines. However, that's just personal preferance" "I don't see how True Strike is a detects emotions or thoughts spell, or is an information gatherer. By the wording it seems more like a future predicter than anything else." "Nowhere, absolutely nowhere, does it state that Mind Blank blocks conversation, which IMO telepathy is just another form of." "That wasn't the point of what I said. I quoted the Divinition section to show you that not all divinitions gather information, some actually (I know, go figure) look into the future. Some gather information (which Mind Blank specifically blocks), some look into the future (which Mind Blank says nothing about)." At this point, you seem to not be discussing the rules, rather pointing fingers at what I say (you've done this twice now in the last two posts of yours). I suspect that you have a set answer for how you want to run this in your game (since you are the original poster) and dislike the fact that I have posted both RAW and FAQ that disagrees with your original opinion. [/QUOTE]
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