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Message: <blockquote data-quote="KarinsDad" data-source="post: 2035995" data-attributes="member: 2011">So if I am understanding you, it is not okay to Scry the person in the present with Arcane Eye, but it is ok to effectively Scry the person in the future with True Strike.The answer to that is quite clearly written in Mind Blank itself.The protected character is not viewed, but obviously this does not stop the results of his actions and the rest of the physical environment around him from being viewed."In the case of scrying that scans an area the creature is in, such as arcane eye, the spell works but the creature simply isn’t detected."Again, this focus on "information gathered" screws with people's heads. The simple view of "it does not divine him directly, or divinations do not work with regard to the target and ONLY the target" makes more sense.People are really focusing on the phrase "information gathered" as it is the key aspect of the spell. It isn't. What is key is that the Enhancement School of Magic and the Divination School of Magic are stopped with the sole exception that Divination spells that gain their information from elsewhere are not stopped.If I use my Telepathic Bond to talk to Fred about Mind Blanked Barney, that is ok. I just cannot use my Telepathic Bond to talk to or from Mind Blanked Barney.I agree here.If you get the information from a different source (and that source does not use divinatino to get the information from the protected creature), then the divination works because it is not targeting the protected character.But, you cannot get a bonus to hit against the protected target via a divination spell. You cannot read his mind. You cannot have him telepathically communicate with you. You cannot scry him. You cannot use Tongues against the protected target because the targeting of Tongues is a single creature.If the divination spell explicitly states that it gains it's information from a different source (outsider, deity, etc.), then you are not getting the information from the target.Granted, there may be some gray area spells, but True Strike, Moment of Prescience, Foresight, True Seeing, See Invisibility, and Tongues are not among them. You cannot get information from a character that is effectively invisible to direct divination spells and all of these spells must be able to target the protected creature in order to get information about him. They do not target his environment to get the information.Divination itself can be used because it gets information from a deity, however, even spells like Divination can be thwarted depending on how they are used. If the deity has to get the information through the Mind Blank (e.g. What is the creature doing right now?, presumably an "activity" Divination could normally handle), it fails. Granted, a deity could get around this by sending a spy, but that seems to defeat the DND intent of defense trumps offense.</blockquote>

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