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<blockquote data-quote="Felix" data-source="post: 2778467" data-attributes="member: 3929"><p>Those words are actually only ever used in reference to cone-shaped spells in the Schools of Magic description, so it is the spirit of the Divination school you must refer to, and not the letter. Ok. No problem with that. But it is a choice between having "information gathering" be defined within the game, or using its understood meaning outside of the game. I happen to select the former.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Where you feel it's reasonable? I.E., use the exact same DM adjudicating powers you wield in every other facet of the game. Go through the Divination school and decide which spells are not blocked, and hand that list out to your arcanists. It's not as if DM discretion isn't applicable in this circumstance.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem I have with the all Divinations ruling is that:</p><p></p><p>a) An 8th level spell trumps all of Divination and Enchantment, as well as L. Wish/Wish/Miracle, when used in given ways. Allowing some divinations reigns this back a bit.</p><p></p><p>b) It is easier and clearer to say "Protects against all Divination spells and effects as well as..." The phrase "information gathering by divination..." can imply a subset of the divination school. </p><p></p><p>The problem with defining the subset is because "information gathering" as having the understood meaning is that it's as vague as it is elastic. It can be applied to every spell, or few spells depending upon how you shape it. It loses its meaning because it is so vague, but still maintains the quality of implying possible subsets of Divination spells. What is left but DM discretion?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felix, post: 2778467, member: 3929"] Those words are actually only ever used in reference to cone-shaped spells in the Schools of Magic description, so it is the spirit of the Divination school you must refer to, and not the letter. Ok. No problem with that. But it is a choice between having "information gathering" be defined within the game, or using its understood meaning outside of the game. I happen to select the former. Where you feel it's reasonable? I.E., use the exact same DM adjudicating powers you wield in every other facet of the game. Go through the Divination school and decide which spells are not blocked, and hand that list out to your arcanists. It's not as if DM discretion isn't applicable in this circumstance. The problem I have with the all Divinations ruling is that: a) An 8th level spell trumps all of Divination and Enchantment, as well as L. Wish/Wish/Miracle, when used in given ways. Allowing some divinations reigns this back a bit. b) It is easier and clearer to say "Protects against all Divination spells and effects as well as..." The phrase "information gathering by divination..." can imply a subset of the divination school. The problem with defining the subset is because "information gathering" as having the understood meaning is that it's as vague as it is elastic. It can be applied to every spell, or few spells depending upon how you shape it. It loses its meaning because it is so vague, but still maintains the quality of implying possible subsets of Divination spells. What is left but DM discretion? [/QUOTE]
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