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<blockquote data-quote="Deaths_Fist" data-source="post: 2781080" data-attributes="member: 7163"><p>No, mind flayers already posess that ability. I mean Improved Grapple.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks, I'll give that a shot in the future.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, I think this is just a difference of opinion; it does say "evil genius" to me; it's really all in the roleplaying, with stats to back it up. The improved <em>grapple</em> is very nice; it helps keep a mind flayer on par with other grapple-based monsters at both higher CRs and higher player levels. Dominate person is a natural extension of the flayer's extant abilities, but more on that later since there seems to be some confusion on the subject by those not paying full attention to the text. I'll clarify in a bit. As to accelerated brain-leeching, instant death isn't fast enough for you? I wouldn't allow an ability making it any faster in my games, and I certainly wouldn't expect my DM for this one to.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, here's that clarification. When taking levels in this paragon, exactly what one gets depends on which mind flayer variant one is using. For games without the Expanded Psionics Handbook (XPH), the mind flayer does NOT gain the psion manifester levels at class levels 2 and 3. Instead, he gains <em>dominate person</em> at will, quite a powerful spell-like ability to have an unlimited number of times. A fair trade. If one is using the version of the mind flayer suggested in the XPH, which gives the mind flayer the manifesting abilities of a 9th-level psion (telepath), this paragon class adds a manifester level at 2nd and 3rd level. Perhaps this isn't a clear point, but one must pick one benefit or the other, NOT both. Sorry for the confusion.</p><p></p><p>Also, from the cultural standpoint of the illithids, sorcerors are seen as a somewhat taboo class to enter into, so added levels of that class's spellcasting abilities would be way off base.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Deaths_Fist, post: 2781080, member: 7163"] No, mind flayers already posess that ability. I mean Improved Grapple. Thanks, I'll give that a shot in the future. Well, I think this is just a difference of opinion; it does say "evil genius" to me; it's really all in the roleplaying, with stats to back it up. The improved [I]grapple[/I] is very nice; it helps keep a mind flayer on par with other grapple-based monsters at both higher CRs and higher player levels. Dominate person is a natural extension of the flayer's extant abilities, but more on that later since there seems to be some confusion on the subject by those not paying full attention to the text. I'll clarify in a bit. As to accelerated brain-leeching, instant death isn't fast enough for you? I wouldn't allow an ability making it any faster in my games, and I certainly wouldn't expect my DM for this one to. Okay, here's that clarification. When taking levels in this paragon, exactly what one gets depends on which mind flayer variant one is using. For games without the Expanded Psionics Handbook (XPH), the mind flayer does NOT gain the psion manifester levels at class levels 2 and 3. Instead, he gains [I]dominate person[/I] at will, quite a powerful spell-like ability to have an unlimited number of times. A fair trade. If one is using the version of the mind flayer suggested in the XPH, which gives the mind flayer the manifesting abilities of a 9th-level psion (telepath), this paragon class adds a manifester level at 2nd and 3rd level. Perhaps this isn't a clear point, but one must pick one benefit or the other, NOT both. Sorry for the confusion. Also, from the cultural standpoint of the illithids, sorcerors are seen as a somewhat taboo class to enter into, so added levels of that class's spellcasting abilities would be way off base. [/QUOTE]
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