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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mannahnin" data-source="post: 9604000" data-attributes="member: 7026594">This was the first version I ever encountered, since I started with BECMI. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I do rather like the concept of Lawful fighters being able to BECOME Paladins after getting some experience under their belts, if they devote themselves to it.This is kind of how it worked for Holger Carlsen (from Three Hearts & Three Lions), one of Gary's primary inspirations, and kind of how it's implied to work in Supplement I: Greyhawk.  "Charisma scores of 17 or greater by fighters indicate the possibility of paladin status IF THEY ARE LAWFUL from the commencement of play for that character. If such fighters elect to they can then become paladins, always doing lawful deeds, for any chaotic act will immediately revoke the status of paladin, and it can never be regained."  It's a bit vague, but I read the "from the commencement of play" passage as indicating that as long as you've maintained the ethos and standards since the character started out, you can take on paladin status whenever.Elizabeth Moon's excellent Deed of Paksenarrion series also has it work like this, where an experienced fighter can join a paladin order, be trained, tested, and become one, or the gods can select you for service and invest you with the power directly without need for an organization.I don't think I'd ever want fighters to need to wait until 9th level; I think the 3.x model of making prestige classes normally start being available around 5th or 6th level made sense.  That way you can get access to them during the "sweet spot" levels.</blockquote>

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