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<blockquote data-quote="Dessert Nomad" data-source="post: 8325445" data-attributes="member: 6976536">5e combat is pretty lethal if you take the gloves off and give the PCs dangerous opponents. It does have fewer instant-death effects than 1e did (especially 'save or die' poison on minor enemies), but combat gets lethal quickly if PCs are not facing encounters that are designed to just be a minor resource drain. If you make 'deadly' encounters with multiple opponents the baseline and routinely encounter groups that rank as 2-6x deadly (with the 4-6x zone generally being 'PCs should not fight this directly) and don't have enemies always ignore 0hp PCs, you'll see PCs die a lot in 5e if they have to engage in fights.Are the default encounter-building guidelines such a core part of the game that they disqualify a game? It seems silly that if I made 5.1e by taping construction paper over all of the recommendations for building encounters and using CR for anything other than XP in my books, 5e would not be an OSR game but 5.1e would be.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dessert Nomad, post: 8325445, member: 6976536"] 5e combat is pretty lethal if you take the gloves off and give the PCs dangerous opponents. It does have fewer instant-death effects than 1e did (especially 'save or die' poison on minor enemies), but combat gets lethal quickly if PCs are not facing encounters that are designed to just be a minor resource drain. If you make 'deadly' encounters with multiple opponents the baseline and routinely encounter groups that rank as 2-6x deadly (with the 4-6x zone generally being 'PCs should not fight this directly) and don't have enemies always ignore 0hp PCs, you'll see PCs die a lot in 5e if they have to engage in fights. Are the default encounter-building guidelines such a core part of the game that they disqualify a game? It seems silly that if I made 5.1e by taping construction paper over all of the recommendations for building encounters and using CR for anything other than XP in my books, 5e would not be an OSR game but 5.1e would be. [/QUOTE]

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