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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3274524" data-attributes="member: 15999">So the PCs know the general layout of the caves they're going into.&nbsp; They know that one alcove is separate from a larger cave (where they suspect an ambush waits) by about 5' of rock.&nbsp; The dwarf wants to take his adamantine waraxe and hack through the stone.By the DMG, a 5-ft-thick natural stone wall has 900 hp for a 10-by-10 section.&nbsp; At Full Power Attack with his axe in two hands, the dwarf does 19.5 per hit (5th level, 16 Str), so that's 46 rounds for the full section, or about a minute to create a 5-by-5 opening.&nbsp; He's shattering 11 cubic feet of stone -- weighing about a ton -- with each swing.&nbsp; Even with an ordinary waraxe, he'd be doing 11.5 per hit, so taking not even twice as long.&nbsp; With a Mattock of the Titans, he could smash a 10' cube of rock in an hour -- what a useless item, it seems.&nbsp; And, of course, an ordinary miner needs to have a 14 Str and using his pick 2-handed to do ANY damage to stone, and even then once every six swings.Do I have these rules correct?&nbsp; And are they truly as nonsensical as they seem?&nbsp; Seems to me that if you have stone HP and hardness such that ordinary miners can make any progress, a strong Power-Attacking character will just blow them away.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3274524, member: 15999"] So the PCs know the general layout of the caves they're going into. They know that one alcove is separate from a larger cave (where they suspect an ambush waits) by about 5' of rock. The dwarf wants to take his adamantine waraxe and hack through the stone. By the DMG, a 5-ft-thick natural stone wall has 900 hp for a 10-by-10 section. At Full Power Attack with his axe in two hands, the dwarf does 19.5 per hit (5th level, 16 Str), so that's 46 rounds for the full section, or about a minute to create a 5-by-5 opening. He's shattering 11 cubic feet of stone -- weighing about a ton -- with each swing. Even with an ordinary waraxe, he'd be doing 11.5 per hit, so taking not even twice as long. With a Mattock of the Titans, he could smash a 10' cube of rock in an hour -- what a useless item, it seems. And, of course, an ordinary miner needs to have a 14 Str and using his pick 2-handed to do ANY damage to stone, and even then once every six swings. Do I have these rules correct? And are they truly as nonsensical as they seem? Seems to me that if you have stone HP and hardness such that ordinary miners can make any progress, a strong Power-Attacking character will just blow them away. [/QUOTE]

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