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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Aservan" data-source="post: 4194313" data-attributes="member: 63340">I have done a play-test of 4th and it sounds noble and right to say that you won't tell your players who the minions are.  It is a load of crud though.Many of us will play with minis.  it just makes things easier and helps cut down on arguments about who is where and when.  In 4th given how tactically complex the game has become they are almost required to get the whole experience.  Since I have no intention of labeling every mini with a number (I am too lazy and there are A LOT of minis) I use different minis for each type of bad guy.  Generally as close as I can get to what the monster actually looks like.  So a dragon shield Kobold is a kobold with a shield.  Simple and it is clear to players and DM.My players are not retarded.  They can see the Kobold miner Minis and guess that those would be the minions.  Now obviously I can have one of them secretly be the big bad kobold boss (kobolds are sneaky like that), but that is kinda gimmicky and only likely to work once (especially after the swarm gets burst damaged and only one kobold is standing).  For my sanity and the players speed of play most of the time they are gonna know who the minions are even if I don't explicitly tell them.Heck players read these boards too.  Trying to separate player and character knowledge is usually an exercise in futility.  At least during combat.Kudos to people for being high minded.  Most of you are not being realistic about what will happen in the game though.</blockquote>

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