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<blockquote data-quote="Gothmog" data-source="post: 4244628" data-attributes="member: 317">This is one of the few things I'm not crazy about with 4E- minions.&nbsp; I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think the PCs should be special because they are PCs- they should be special by their skills, how they conduct themselves, and what they do.&nbsp; I know the minion rule emulates movies and tv nicely, but that's not the medium I'm trying to mimic when I play a rpg.&nbsp; The idea of minions is an extremely meta-game concept, and after playing in KotS, I felt they cheapened the experience- they were just so much cannon fodder to mulch through, and once we figured out which critters were minions, we just waded through them without a concern.&nbsp; I played the fighter, and I think I was hit by a minion maybe 3 times in the whole adventure.Another game I LOVE, Savage Worlds, uses minions as well- but they are not quite as fragile or pathetic as the 4E minions.&nbsp; We've also tried the no minion (called &quot;extras&quot; in SW), and had no problems- the game is just much grittier and more deadly as a result.&nbsp; That works for us because we like less cinematic and more &quot;realistic&quot; feel to our games.So my plans are not to use minions at all- just use the non-minion monsters.&nbsp; If I were going to use minions in a game, I wouldn't let the players know though.&nbsp; If they &quot;waste&quot; an encounter or daily power on a minion, so be it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Gothmog, post: 4244628, member: 317"] This is one of the few things I'm not crazy about with 4E- minions. I know I'm in the minority, but I don't think the PCs should be special because they are PCs- they should be special by their skills, how they conduct themselves, and what they do. I know the minion rule emulates movies and tv nicely, but that's not the medium I'm trying to mimic when I play a rpg. The idea of minions is an extremely meta-game concept, and after playing in KotS, I felt they cheapened the experience- they were just so much cannon fodder to mulch through, and once we figured out which critters were minions, we just waded through them without a concern. I played the fighter, and I think I was hit by a minion maybe 3 times in the whole adventure. Another game I LOVE, Savage Worlds, uses minions as well- but they are not quite as fragile or pathetic as the 4E minions. We've also tried the no minion (called "extras" in SW), and had no problems- the game is just much grittier and more deadly as a result. That works for us because we like less cinematic and more "realistic" feel to our games. So my plans are not to use minions at all- just use the non-minion monsters. If I were going to use minions in a game, I wouldn't let the players know though. If they "waste" an encounter or daily power on a minion, so be it. [/QUOTE]

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