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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Switchback" data-source="post: 4385159" data-attributes="member: 69793">I get it. But I'm saying you could confront a situation where you do equal damage in the same attack, to a minion and something else at the same time, an area attack or the rogue throwing stars, and the whole system can become exposed.   Minions are supposed to take the place of mooks or underleveled hordes right, but what if a DM's story calls for those foes to be used again? For whatever reason. Say we have a common kobold slinger standing next to a level 11 Ogre Bludgeoneer. Now our level 10 fighter uses a cleave attack on the Kobold. The Kobold is hit for 15 damage but still standing, and the weak secondary blow that follows through and hits the Ogre for 3 damage suddenly becomes his deathblow. This might seem strange to the fighter, since for all his life as a hero that secondary attack on a cleave has always been a piddly weak attack that is just a glancing blow on his follow through beyond the real target he attacked.   As far as the numbers are concerned the adjacent attack on a cleave can never be stronger than the regular attack, since both get the fighters STR bonus but the initial attack gets a dice roll as well. This time for the sake of the game, we say it pierced the Ogre's heart or whatever and instantly slays him. But it won't be long before the fighter realizes that the adjacent follow through on cleave, *always* strikes a minion through its heart and kills them, no matter that the attack is never a strong one against any other normal creature in the world. It's icky and can be hard to resist thinking about.</blockquote>

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