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Message: <blockquote data-quote="GoLu" data-source="post: 4385219" data-attributes="member: 58460">The damage numbers are lower, but that doesn't mean the result has to be.  If I attack a 25 hitpoint creature for 30 damage, it falls down and is dead or dying, felled by one mighty blow.  If I attack a 50 hitpoint creature with the same attack, it is bloodied and looking worried.  If I attack a 350 hitpoint creature with the same attack, it shrugs it off, barely looking concerned.  So is that 30 damage attack a mighty swing, capable of slaying things in one hit, or is it a scratch that, while presumably unpleasant, doesn't even deserve to be called dangerous?For that matter, the example concerns an attack that is good against minions.  If the secondary cleave attack has never hit anything other than a minion, then it will never have failed to kill anything that it has it.  It is 100% lethal.  Not so piddly now, eh?Anyway, the idea of combining a level 11 minion with a level 1 (or whatever; don't have the MM on me at the moment) non-minion is stretching so far past what the system intends that it isn't surprising that you end up with weird results.  If the kobold is an important part of the encounter, the ogre would be better represented as a lower level elite or solo.  If the kobold isn't an important part of the encounter, why not make it a minion as well?</blockquote>