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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DandD" data-source="post: 4385728" data-attributes="member: 55168">Exactly. The players. Now you understand. And I'm sure that you know the difference between the players, and their characters. It's totally cool of you to act as if you hadn't see the intent of my message, critisizing you for using meta-game knowledge. But hey, if that doesn't bother you, no problem.  Like I said, if you can't see what I'm really saying, then don't bother with it. And the NPC-wizard is just that: A NPC who dies at the whim of the gamemaster, if it suits him, because he's not the game character of any other player. Why bother intentionally misreading the rules like you do? You absolutely know that minions aren't meant to be used in such cases, and that this game is for player characters to bash monsters with their own rules. You can do it if you want, as long as you're happy with the additional paperwork. Meanwhile, everybody else who uses minions correctly will have fun with them. It does a very bad one, leading the specific rules dealing with it to be ridiculized many times in "Order of the Stick". <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />Seeing as many others on the ENWorld Message boards have already stated how much more they like D&D 4th edition, this claim only is true for a minority.  Then don't use them, and use normal monsters with far more hitpoints that you have to keep track of, while adjusting the AC, attack bonus, and defenses for your non-minions.Or perhaps you can't do it. Other gamemasters can use them in the correct way, and have fun with it. And their players have fun with it. Look up Mourn's post too, while you're at it.</blockquote>

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