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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 4386986" data-attributes="member: 5834">If you're trying to tell me that Dnd wizard's melee combat ability compares to Gandalf then I don't know what to tell you. I disagree. Gandalf is nothing like a Dnd character and the current game could only simulate him by allowing an odd base race.Please don't bring up strange elements in the rule system like a strength checked based on level when the same wizard with a lvl 10 strength at lvl 30 is still only going to be able to lift 200 lbs while the 20 plus str fighter is going to be able to life 400 lbs or more. As in the fighter is twice as strong as the wizard, but for some reason the wizard is able to make higher strength checks.All you did was point out a nonsensical rule that I don't even want to think about because it utterly ruins suspension of disbelief. Why would you point out a rule that is ridiculous if you take the time to think about it?Seriously.lvl 10 fighter with 20 str lifts 400 lbs.lvl 30 wiz with 10 str lifts 200 lbs.Lvl 30 wiz gets +15 on str checks. Lvl 10 ftr gets +10 even though he is twice as strong.Thanks for pointing out another illogical rule that is mainly there for mechanical effciency.No, Gandalf isn't well-simulated by DnD. I don't bother to think about Dnd, especially 4th edition, as a close to good simulation of fantasy characters such as Gandalf. It is a very bad simulation. DnD wizards are nothing like Gandalf. The melee system they use is based entirely on the idea of mechanical efficiency. So your example doesn't fly. A DnD wizard is not Gandalf. It's a DnD wizard. It would take a great deal of work by a DM to create an analogue in 4th edition for Gandalf. It wouldn't even be worth trying.</blockquote>

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