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Minions with 1hp - Can anyone justify this?
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<blockquote data-quote="Switchback" data-source="post: 4387075" data-attributes="member: 69793"><p>Yes he was weaker.</p><p></p><p>The difference between a Vampire Spawn (a minion) and a Vampire Lord is not cosmetic. They are not interchangeable. Neither in combat or in the lore of the world. A Vampire Spawn is a once living humanoid that has been blood drained by a Vampire Lord. Vampire Lords are much more powerful immortal undead, that would never be confused with a spawn. The difference between them is *not* decided by the arrow shot by a PC. They have separate ecology in the world, and so do even weaker minions like Kobold Minions in relation to Dragonshields. </p><p></p><p> Think of a bar scene in one of those <a href="http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/steven_seagal/fotos/1913/steven_seagal.jpg" target="_blank">Steven Seagal</a> movies where he beats the crap out of everyone there on his way up to the villain on the other side. None of those ‘thugs’ are a challenge or even threat to him, no matter how many times he fights them. They are not going down in one punch or kick because he got lucky, or critical hit them <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />, but because they are weak and nothing compared against the skill of Steven. He is always going to bend their arm backward and break it and make them scream, “You *)$#, you broke my arm!” Because he is just that awesome and they are just that pathetic.</p><p> </p><p> It’s the same idea with Minions in 4e. Kobold Minions die in droves to PC’s because they are nothing to the heroes. They are peons even among their own kind. Just like the thugs in the bar in the movie are peons that are probably ordered and beat up earlier in the movie by the main bad dude or his right hand man, in order to foreshadow their own threat level. </p><p> </p><p> Now eventually Seagal comes up against the fat bodyguard or the muscled henchman that protects the villain and he gets a real fight, and this is the same as PC’s coming up against the Brutes or Soldiers or real threats in an encounter. Those foes are never going to be one-shotted, because they are the bigger kahunas not just in the battle, but in the larger game world itself. It’s a pecking order.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Switchback, post: 4387075, member: 69793"] Yes he was weaker. The difference between a Vampire Spawn (a minion) and a Vampire Lord is not cosmetic. They are not interchangeable. Neither in combat or in the lore of the world. A Vampire Spawn is a once living humanoid that has been blood drained by a Vampire Lord. Vampire Lords are much more powerful immortal undead, that would never be confused with a spawn. The difference between them is *not* decided by the arrow shot by a PC. They have separate ecology in the world, and so do even weaker minions like Kobold Minions in relation to Dragonshields. Think of a bar scene in one of those [URL="http://www.lahiguera.net/cinemania/actores/steven_seagal/fotos/1913/steven_seagal.jpg"]Steven Seagal[/URL] movies where he beats the crap out of everyone there on his way up to the villain on the other side. None of those ‘thugs’ are a challenge or even threat to him, no matter how many times he fights them. They are not going down in one punch or kick because he got lucky, or critical hit them :), but because they are weak and nothing compared against the skill of Steven. He is always going to bend their arm backward and break it and make them scream, “You *)$#, you broke my arm!” Because he is just that awesome and they are just that pathetic. It’s the same idea with Minions in 4e. Kobold Minions die in droves to PC’s because they are nothing to the heroes. They are peons even among their own kind. Just like the thugs in the bar in the movie are peons that are probably ordered and beat up earlier in the movie by the main bad dude or his right hand man, in order to foreshadow their own threat level. Now eventually Seagal comes up against the fat bodyguard or the muscled henchman that protects the villain and he gets a real fight, and this is the same as PC’s coming up against the Brutes or Soldiers or real threats in an encounter. Those foes are never going to be one-shotted, because they are the bigger kahunas not just in the battle, but in the larger game world itself. It’s a pecking order. [/QUOTE]
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