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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ninja-to" data-source="post: 4387386" data-attributes="member: 19551">Hm I didn't say minions aren't justified, I said the opposite. I like them, they make perfect sense to me now.When I talk about minions not existing in the world, I'm talking about outside of combat. Minions don't wander around the world afraid of things that can do 1HP damage to them. They're a tool for combat purposes only. Don't try to reason how the world exists with minions living their daily lives with only 1HP. Use minions as a convenience. This is what I mean by them not existing in and of themselves. They're not meant to exist outside of their roles in combat with PC's. They're an abstraction, like a shift or a held action or other combat abstraction. It just happens that this combat abstraction is a creature in 4th Edition and that's what some people can't seem to get their head around.</blockquote>