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Message: <blockquote data-quote="robertliguori" data-source="post: 4391286" data-attributes="member: 47776">If we go down that route, why have stats for anything ever?  The DM can always handwave away the printed rules; having situations in which the DM needs to do so on account of the printed rules being nonsensical indicates bad rules.What happens when the PCs then attempt to push the monsters into the terrain as part of the combat encounter?  Do we get Schrodinger's Minions, who interact with the game world in totally different ways whether or not they are being observed, and in such a way that this difference in behavior can also be observed?But fate has nothing to do with it; if that worthy opponent has a level 1 wizard along for the ride, and that legion devil squares off one-on-one with that wizard, that devil will die.Just to check, then; it is an anomalous situation for non-appropriately-leveled characters to face legion devils.  This means that minions have no existence with regards to the PCs other than level-appropriate challenges, and clever PCs will stage commando raids on hell, find it either deserted or populated only by small groups of legion devils, loot and massacre, then escape, having been strengthened from the experience.  You are saying that it is inconceivable (or at least, not worth considering in the rules) that a character not an appropriately-leveled-PC will interact with the legion devils, despite the known and documented propensity for PCs to not go where and do what is expected.My beef with minions is that they're solving the wrong problem.  The hordes of orcs don't go down at a poor dagger-slash from everyone; they do so at the hands of a hero.  Therefore, heroes expected to cleave through hordes of orcs should do minimum damage enough to guarantee a kill; if you instead change things so that the orcs are soap-bubbles, you should expect the actors in the world to treat them accordingly.</blockquote>

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