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<blockquote data-quote="ARandomGod" data-source="post: 2432829" data-attributes="member: 17296">But, you know, Gary didn't play 3.X(Edit: Of course, he might now... I'm asserting that your 'rarely used or uses' was from the majority of his life, which of necessity wasn't in 3.X&nbsp; Of course, I personally think that it's likely that if he DOES play 3.X he playes a heavily house-ruled version that's closer to Dungeons and Dragons than it is to d20)He played Dungeons and Dragons, and Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, then 2nd edition perhaps.... Those games weren't designed AS miniatures games, the rules didn't have that in mind. 3.X, which bought the game from TSR, took the game name and basic concept, and made up a new miniatures game. Those are completely different issues. Someone playing one of the formes of Dungeons and Dragons is less likely to use a map and miniatures... and there are a number of other RPG's that aren't build around the maps and mini's concept. But people playing d20 3.X D&amp;D are more likely to play with maps and mini's (and I think most d20 games in general)... if they aren't they will by necessity be heavily houseruled in order to make the game work.Now this wasn't a completely new concept. Dungeons and Dragons had been moving towards miniatures use for a while, and even supported it in the basic edition. But by 3.X it was basically assumed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="ARandomGod, post: 2432829, member: 17296"] But, you know, Gary didn't play 3.X (Edit: Of course, he might now... I'm asserting that your 'rarely used or uses' was from the majority of his life, which of necessity wasn't in 3.X Of course, I personally think that it's likely that if he DOES play 3.X he playes a heavily house-ruled version that's closer to Dungeons and Dragons than it is to d20) He played Dungeons and Dragons, and Advanced Dungeons and Dragons, then 2nd edition perhaps.... Those games weren't designed AS miniatures games, the rules didn't have that in mind. 3.X, which bought the game from TSR, took the game name and basic concept, and made up a new miniatures game. Those are completely different issues. Someone playing one of the formes of Dungeons and Dragons is less likely to use a map and miniatures... and there are a number of other RPG's that aren't build around the maps and mini's concept. But people playing d20 3.X D&D are more likely to play with maps and mini's (and I think most d20 games in general)... if they aren't they will by necessity be [i]heavily[/i] houseruled in order to make the game work. Now this wasn't a completely new concept. Dungeons and Dragons had been moving towards miniatures use for a while, and even supported it in the basic edition. But by 3.X it was basically assumed. [/QUOTE]

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