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Minor Illusion...can it be cast over other objects?
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<blockquote data-quote="Saeviomagy" data-source="post: 6849446" data-attributes="member: 5890"><p>So you are saying that you can't make an illusion that reflects light? That rules out basically everything that isn't totally matte, leaving every illusion looking like a poorly done painting and failing to work on more than one person at a time. Illusion becomes a joke school, usable only for all three of it's spells that don't actually make illusions.</p><p></p><p>Of course if properties that affect light are replicated, then you can create illusions of things like lenses and shaped mirrors and they work to full effectiveness, meaning you could theoretically conjure up an illusion of a telescope (an incredibly powerful one, to boot: it's only a bit smaller than the hubble) and it will work flawlessly. You can also create a 5' perfect magnifying glass and do some serious burning.</p><p></p><p>Of course the argument that you duplicate everything about the illusion that effects light means that you should also duplicate it passing through a portal... but most of the implications for that are simply too powerful for a low level illusion spell.</p><p></p><p>Long story short, adjudication is needed and it's not at all clear where the line should be drawn. My personal line would be that a mirror, magnifying glass or telescope would work for optical purposes, even the ludicrously powerful version. The portal would also work, but requires both ends of the portal to be within the space of the illusion.</p><p></p><p>What if you throw an object through it?</p><p>Why would it not react to movement? Are illusions perfectly static? Doesn't that rule out illusions of flags, rope, cloth and anything else that is flexible? Are the only illusions possible with minor illusion matte, 100% solid items that are stationary in space? That seems like it's much, much worse than a single aspect of the prestidigitation spell (which can create genuine small items out of thin air)!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saeviomagy, post: 6849446, member: 5890"] So you are saying that you can't make an illusion that reflects light? That rules out basically everything that isn't totally matte, leaving every illusion looking like a poorly done painting and failing to work on more than one person at a time. Illusion becomes a joke school, usable only for all three of it's spells that don't actually make illusions. Of course if properties that affect light are replicated, then you can create illusions of things like lenses and shaped mirrors and they work to full effectiveness, meaning you could theoretically conjure up an illusion of a telescope (an incredibly powerful one, to boot: it's only a bit smaller than the hubble) and it will work flawlessly. You can also create a 5' perfect magnifying glass and do some serious burning. Of course the argument that you duplicate everything about the illusion that effects light means that you should also duplicate it passing through a portal... but most of the implications for that are simply too powerful for a low level illusion spell. Long story short, adjudication is needed and it's not at all clear where the line should be drawn. My personal line would be that a mirror, magnifying glass or telescope would work for optical purposes, even the ludicrously powerful version. The portal would also work, but requires both ends of the portal to be within the space of the illusion. What if you throw an object through it? Why would it not react to movement? Are illusions perfectly static? Doesn't that rule out illusions of flags, rope, cloth and anything else that is flexible? Are the only illusions possible with minor illusion matte, 100% solid items that are stationary in space? That seems like it's much, much worse than a single aspect of the prestidigitation spell (which can create genuine small items out of thin air)! [/QUOTE]
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