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Message: <blockquote data-quote="steeldragons" data-source="post: 6593276" data-attributes="member: 92511">You say this and then, a few lines from now, defend your interpretation by "This is how light works." You see the contradiction here, right?Nooo. Not "Much the same way..." Not at all "the same way." Apples to oranges. Wall of stone conjures up an actual wall of real stone. Obviously light doesn't pass through it. It is nothing at all like conjuring up a Minor Illusion cantrip. It might be comparable to a Major Illusion or a Hallucinatory Terrain...but they are still, ultimately illusions. So, no, not the same thing. To suggest that the way one spell works means it is the way ALL spells work is...well, I don't actually know what it is. Misguided? Impossible? A fool's errand?Saying the same thing over again in capital letters is not going to make your case any stronger or more accurate. I get what you're saying. You are saying: For the creatures in the game world to see the box light can't pass through it. If light isn't reflecting off the illusory surface, their eyes will not perceive the illusion. You are arguing that by creating this illusory box around the torch, you now have a dark room...in which, without darkvision or something, you won't see the box either since now the room is dark...because it seems to be inconceivable, for you, that light might pass through one side of the illusion but not the other.I am saying, there IS light reflecting off the outside of the box...from the light that is in the room...which is emanating -through the very much not-transparent or translucent box- from the torch within. Yes, it is paradoxical. But there's magic for ya.I'm getting the feeling this is just something you are not going to/capable of seeing...no pun intended...because you seem stuck in a loop of "but then you can't see the box!"You don't have to agree with my ruling. I don't have to agree with yours. S'all good in duh 'hood. Don't believe I ever said it would be easy or "obvious". It should, at least momentarily, cause whoever is seeing it to say "Hey. What's going on here? There's light in the room...but no light source." <investigate, investigate, roll, roll, roll> "How's this box making light?" <touch the box, it disappears> *Poof* Light level in the room doesn't change. "Hmph. Why would someone want to put an illusion over a torch?" At no point was anyone in the room having difficulty seeing, nor automatically seeing through, anything.My bad. I thought I was clearly presenting the one-way mirror scenario as an example of what it was working like/how it might be comprehended. Apparently not. Nevermind.Ironically, I don't see it as adding anything. Simple interpretation of a simple spell. You get an image, as defined by the spell. The spell's not changing/altering anything else. Seems the obvious, easiest, most flavorful and fairest ruling of the spell in the presented situation. But...that's for me/my game.Hope your DM agrees with your assertions so you can enjoy your illusion-use. Happy gaming.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/glasses.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt="B-)" title="Glasses    B-)" data-shortname="B-)" /></blockquote>

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